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Holy Shit, Darat Has Gone Mad

Post by Luke T. » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:18 pm

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=137845

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=139132

These two topics are relevant to this conversation.

The Atheist started a topic asking about forum donations and financial information.

Darat's very first post in that topic was this:
I suggest you try contacting the JREF directly for such information - no one on the Mod team has access to that type of information.
The topic goes on for four pages and quickly devolves into personal attacks.

So I post this a few minutes ago:
Luke T wrote:I've seen the publicly available JREF financials. They are not the all-is-revealed documents one is led to believe. One cannot blame people for thinking they are. Because whenever someone asks where the money goes, they are brushed off and directed to these mysterious public documents.

All you will learn from them is how much a handful of people are paid. You will know Randi's six figure income.

All the money that comes in goes into one giant pot. Whether it comes in from forum donations, telethons, private donors, or aliens from Tralfamdor. Alll the money that goes out, comes out of that one big pot.
Darat immediately splits it off into another topic.

I think this was an act of cowardice and said so. Darat's displeasure with me is no secret, and this action of his was obviously done out of personal feelings rather than out of any rational reaction.

Look at TAs topic. It is undeniable there are many posts which are off-topic and personal attacks, and yet nothing was done.

I make a post that is dead on topic and get split off. Darat deleted my post calling him a coward, and so I sent him a PM calling him a coware, and now I am getting threats of suspension and banishment for calling Darat a coward.

Hypocricy.
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Post by ed » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:26 pm

I left JREF for a number of reasons, not the least of which was the lack of a clear accounting of where the money went. That is also the reason that I never gave them a cent. Anyway, here is the 2007 income tax filing. Why not give a dramatic reading over there. It is about on a par with Hanniety's Freedom Foundation.

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Post by Luke T. » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:40 pm

Unbelievable. He is deleting and editing my every post now, without leaving a trace of evidence. No mod box. Nothing. It's amazing. The man has lost his mind.
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Post by ed » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:43 pm

Luke T. wrote:Unbelievable. He is deleting and editing my every post now, without leaving a trace of evidence. No mod box. Nothing. It's amazing. The man has lost his mind.
Do screen grabs and post them here. Then link to this site.
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Post by hammegk » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:43 pm

JREF's Caligula-wannabee is surprising you?

How ... quaint.
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Post by corplinx » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:46 pm

Whats the point of him deleting your posts instead of just suspending you?

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Post by Badger » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:16 pm

Heh, can you report Darat to Wagg? :)
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Re: Holy Shit, Darat Has Gone Mad

Post by Vorticity » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:36 pm

What the hell is up with the "Rule 8" violations?

Did you do anything that could possibly be interpreted as posting "a person's private information that is not otherwise publicly available or if it is not required for a discussion."?

And then they split things off to here:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4577519
where I couldn't resist interjecting a small, feeble rant.

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Post by ed » Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:46 pm

Funny stuff. Why do you bother Luke?
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Post by Vorticity » Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:51 pm

* Edited to remove idiotic jabbering post *
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Post by hammegk » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:00 pm

ed wrote:Funny stuff. Why do you bother Luke?
We can only hope it's for the lulz. :wink:
The most important things in life–beauty, grace, redemption, compassion, loyalty, love–are beyond the reach of reason. Which doesn’t make them any less real. Stay far back: I'm allergic to Stupid.

The simple rule, the greatest plan, that he should keep who has the power, and he should take who can.

The only enemies of guns: rust ... and politicians.

Philanthropist (n.) - Someone who spends his own money to advance his version of Utopia. Socialist (n.) - Someone who spends your money to advance his version of Utopia.

“Jesus loves the little cheeses, all the cheeses of the world. Swiss and Cheddar, stinky, too. If He loved them, so should you. Jesus loves the little cheeses of the world.”

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Post by Grammatron » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:03 pm

You know, the mods sure are dicks, if only there were some super mods who can watch these mods to make sure they uphold the rules.

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Post by Luke T. » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:04 pm

TA started a topic asking how JREF tracks forum donations.
The Atheist wrote:Is there any chance we could have the financial information of the forum made available?

I'm interested to find another forum doing just that as it asks for donations and it occurred to me that while JREF's finances are public knowledge, I haven't seen any details of this forum's financial performance.
In four of the first 13 posts in response, we have:
Cleon wrote:The forum isn't an organization or entity of any sort. It's the property of the JREF.
Darat wrote:I suggest you try contacting the JREF directly for such information - no one on the Mod team has access to that type of information.
Darat wrote:The "Donate to the JREF click here" takes you to the standard JREF donation page. It's not asking for a donation directly for the Forum and there is no way to even mark the donation as "coming from the Forum".
Cleon wrote:Well, the Donate button goes to same link as the one on the main http://www.randi.org site. There's no way to differentiate.
There are many more posts telling TA to ask JREF, and that the Foundation's finances are inseparable from the forum finances.

My post:
Luke T. wrote:I've seen the publicly available JREF financials. They are not the all-is-revealed documents one is led to believe. One cannot blame people for thinking they are. Because whenever someone asks where the money goes, they are brushed off and directed to these mysterious public documents.

All you will learn from them is how much a handful of people are paid. You will know Randi's six figure income.

All the money that comes in goes into one giant pot. Whether it comes in from forum donations, telethons, private donors, or aliens from Tralfamdor. Alll the money that goes out, comes out of that one big pot.

So if it is transparency you are looking for, give it up. Looking at the documents, one could be led to believe most of the money goes into the pockets of the adminstrators of JREF.

I saw a topic "What does the JREF do?"

In the past couple/few years, not much. If one lives outside the JREF bubble, chances are near 100 percent one has not seen or heard the JREF in action, unless one happened to be in Vegas on a specific day and accidentally stumbled into a JREF get-together.

Chances are good that if you ask a random person on the street if they have ever heard of JREF, that answer would be no. If they have heard of Randi, they will probably speak of him in the past tense. If they have heard of the Million Dollar Challenge, it will be "a long time ago."

Try it for yourself and see.

They sure as hell have not heard of Phil Plait taking the mantle of responsibility at JREF.

I'm sure JREF looks very active inside the bubble. But from outside, dead silence.

So where does the money go? Good luck finding out.
How fucking on topic is that? Dead on.

My post was immediately censored out of the topic and split off to a topic called ""Comments about the JREF & financial transparency".

I posted in that topic calling Darat a coward.

He sent me a PM:
Breach of Rule 8: You will not post a person's private information that is not otherwise publicly available.
So now we know. Confirmation he is a coward since he feels that his personal information.

So I PM him back telling him he is a fucking coward.
Hi

Any further abusive PMs such as this one will result in action which may include suspension or even banning.

Regards

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Darat has already revealed some of his PMs sent to me, so I am not breaking any etiquette here.

Rule 8? You see what I mean about the man being unglued.

Okay, so my post was supposedly off topic and I broke Rule 8 (not rule 12: "attack the argument not the arguer") for calling him a coward for doing so.

But in the very same TA topic, we have these posts:

All from the same topic:
Cleon wrote:tI've decided to coin a new word, in honor of The Atheist. "Bullster." It's what happens when someone tries to bluster and BS at the same time, like TA is doing above.

No mod action taken.
Cleon wrote: Yes, I'm sure your imaginary friends are very curious.

No mod action taken.


[quote="The Atheist']
Darat, you're about 5 km behind the thread at this stage, do try to keep up.
No mod action taken.

The Atheist wrote: Darat, you just keep telling yourself often enough and it may even come true.
In the same post:
The Atheist wrote: Please keep trying to obfuscate; you're such a pro at it that it'd be a shame to let your talents dry up.
No mod action taken.
hcmom wrote:
The Atheist wrote:Typical... and even that's wrong....
I know full damn well I'm quoting out of context, and probably derailing, but I couldn't help myself....
[/quote]

Darat was actively participating in the topic.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:04 pm

Abdul Alhazred [url=http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4578320#post4578320]THERE[/url] wrote:
I know something about professional fundraising in general -- Rule number one is go after big donors. Even outfits who do lots of very successful nickel and dime fundraising (such as the UJA) do that first.

Going after big donors is something the James Randi does really well, to a great extent because of his show business contacts (and not just performers).

It's pretty clear to me that JREF has only one significant income producing asset -- That is the person of James Randi himself.

So Randi will not live forever but his truth will go marching on, carrying a big pile of money and not well able to keep it coming in ...


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Post by ed » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:09 pm

Rotate the fuckers.
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Post by izittrue » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:14 pm

ed wrote:Rotate the fuckers.
That's your solution to everything :wink: ..you know some fukers just can't be rotated.

(edited to make sense)
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Post by Vorticity » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:16 pm

Luke T. wrote: I posted in that topic calling Darat a coward.

He sent me a PM:
Breach of Rule 8: You will not post a person's private information that is not otherwise publicly available.
So now we know. Confirmation he is a coward since he feels that his personal information.
But no, wait, that's not right.

Your statement that Darat is a coward appears here:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=139139

... whereas your supposed Rule 8 violations were blotted out in this other thread here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4578320

So the Darat coward thing was evidently NOT the supposed Rule 8 breach. What was in those posts that now simply say "Edited by Darat: Breach of Rule 8 removed." ?

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Post by Vorticity » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:18 pm

I think the confusion might stem from the fact that there are two threads with almost identical titles:

"Split From: Comments about the JREF & financial transparency"

and

"Split Thread: Comments about the JREF & financial transparency"

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Post by grayman » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:25 pm

I've been thinking of posting this for a while; here a good as place as any.

It's been about a month and a half since I last logged on to TOP. I didn't have a fight with anyone, nor did I feel threatened by the Mods. I simply got tired of the seeing the same things over and over.

Someone creates a thread and it is followed by dozens of unfunny parody threads. Someone posts something during a heated discussion, that individual gets suspended or banned, unless the poster is one of the kool kids.

The only time I had a real serious disagreement with a poster - she was arguing why Americans needed to elect a Democrat because Replublicans are war-mongers - I presented evidence on how during the 20th century, every time the U.S. became involved in a major conflict, a Democrat was at the helm. She responded that that was not true but she didn't have the time to go into detail. Nobody called her on that claim. She got a pass like she always did because, by gosh, she's so durn pretty.

Mildred may be a cuntard whom I refuse to acknowledge, but at least he(?) knows he's a turdblossom.

So I decided to try a self imposed exile to see if I would miss visiting that site. There's still many posters there that I miss interacting with, and I don't really hate the place, it's just that it's in a rut. And their arbitrary banning of interesting posters isn't helping.

And here I am, posting more and more on this site. It seems as if what this SC lacks in quantity they make up for in quality. Yes Charley and Doc X may be a little acerbic at times, Bruce may be a fag (with family stories funnier than any TV sitcom), and Mulebear and Sonoma Bear have given me images in my mind of big burly men lovingly licking chocolate off of one another that causes me to wake screaming in the middle of the night in a cold cold sweat, but I'd hate to have any of that change. *

Sorry for the emo rant. It's just something I wanted to say.







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Post by ed » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:30 pm

2 deg. pour vous.

merde, forgettez moi!!!

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