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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby hammegk » Sun May 22, 2016 2:37 pm

ed wrote:I think that the government ought to step in. There is no "need" to climb Everest. All that is happening is that wealthy members of the patriarchy spend money that would be better spent on the needs of the other 99% and that once they get into trouble, which they inevitably do, require vast expenditures to get them out of said trouble.

I think that the President should put together a committee to study the problem.

Right after he & Michelle climb Everest?

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Doctor X » Sun May 22, 2016 7:40 pm

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby sparks » Mon May 23, 2016 2:41 am

People who want to climb Everest (or any other land mark for that matter) ought to have to put up the amount of money it will take to save their dumb asses if/when they get into trouble on the mountain.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon May 23, 2016 2:48 am

sparks wrote:People who want to climb Everest (or any other land mark for that matter) ought to have to put up the amount of money it will take to save their dumb asses if/when they get into trouble on the mountain.


Oh, they do. The government of Nepal isn't going to provide that service to wealthy foreigners for free.
This has become a profitable business for them. These days tourists typically pay around $45,000 for the privilege, and more if they require rescuing.

http://www.alanarnette.com/blog/2015/12 ... t-everest/

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby sparks » Mon May 23, 2016 4:20 am

Interesting to say the least. Thanks Anax.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon May 23, 2016 4:35 am

One of the interesting points:
Should I Use Supplemental Oxygen?

If you choose not to, you will be in a tiny group. Of the 7001 summits, only 193 climbers summited without supplemental oxygen through August 2015, or about 2.7%. But more critically, of the 282 deaths, 102 died attempting to summit without using supplemental oxygen.

Supplemental oxygen gives the body a 3,000 foot advantage. In other words, when the climber is at 28,000 feet, the body feels like it is at 25,000 feet. The main benefit of supplemental oxygen is that you feel warmer thus allowing the heart to pump blood, and oxygen to fingers and toes thus reducing the risk of frostbite.

Many people feel superior not using supplemental oxygen but climbing Everest should not be about ego – poor judgment and unnecessary risks can cost you your life. As mentioned, 2.7% climb without supplemental oxygen but 36% of the deaths are those who climbed without supplemental oxygen.


IOW, attempting to do it without supplemental oxygen increases your risk of death by more than 13-fold.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Doctor X » Mon May 23, 2016 5:24 am

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon May 23, 2016 9:12 am

Now it's up to 4 dead in the last 4 days, and 2 missing (which probably means dead).

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/22/asia/ ... ng-deaths/

One was a triathlete, he died of a heart attack, presumably. Being physically fit is no guarantee I guess (everyone who attempts must be quite fit of course, it would be madness not to be. Another woman died of a stroke. Young, physically fit adults.)
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon May 23, 2016 10:53 am

And of course it varies around that 253 mmHg pressure depending on the weather so in bad weather conditions it could be even less. I don't know how low, but it seems that these deaths tend to cluster together.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby ed » Mon May 23, 2016 11:07 am

All the more reason for the benign hand of government to take over.

And, BTW, how many inner city people of color have Summited? Chicano's? Physically or mentally challenged? Quadriplegics? Hermaphrodites? Transgender? Racially Misidentified? Wops?

Clearly a committee is called for.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon May 23, 2016 1:31 pm

ed is trolling, but this is not a good place for it.

Not that he's unwelcome in any way of course.

But if you really want an appreciative audience, may I suggest Free Republic and Democratic Underground?
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby ed » Mon May 23, 2016 1:35 pm

If it is done here it is not trolling it is a fashion statement
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon May 23, 2016 1:36 pm

ed wrote:If it is done here it is not trolling it is a fashion statement


Very good point.

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Grammatron » Mon May 23, 2016 8:03 pm

http://time.com/4344556/mount-everest-d ... ing-vegan/

Woman Trying to Prove ‘Vegans Can Do Anything’ Dies of Altitude Sickness on Mount Everest
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Doctor X » Mon May 23, 2016 8:05 pm

She proved Vegans can also die of altitude sickness.

I guess.

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Pyrrho » Mon May 23, 2016 11:25 pm

The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Anaxagoras » Tue May 31, 2016 2:45 am

Grammatron wrote:http://time.com/4344556/mount-everest-death-climbing-vegan/

Woman Trying to Prove ‘Vegans Can Do Anything’ Dies of Altitude Sickness on Mount Everest


Vegan Climber Whose Wife Died on Everest: It's My Fault

(Newser) – The husband of a woman who died climbing Mount Everest earlier this month says he blames himself for her death, the Guardian reports. In an interview with Network Seven in Australia, Robert Gropel says wife Maria Strydom seemed exhausted from climbing when they were just 15 minutes from the peak. "I asked: 'Do you mind if I go on,' and she said: 'Yes, you go on, I’ll wait for you here,'" says Gropel. "From that position the summit didn’t look that far." Not realizing that she was suffering from altitude sickness, which can be lethal, Gropel kept climbing to the top of the world. "I just ran up and down and it didn’t mean anything to me," he adds. "When I made it to the summit of Everest it wasn’t special to me, because I didn’t have her there."

When he got back and they began descending, 34-year-old Strydom had trouble walking and talking and even hallucinated, possibly due to a stroke brought on by cerebral edema. With sherpa guides helping, Gropel says he gave her altitude-sickness medication and they made camp, but she got worse overnight and died in his arms on May 20. "I'm her husband, it’s my job to protect my wife and get her home and it’s just natural for me to blame myself," says the Australian. "I still can’t look at any pictures of her because it breaks my heart." Both vegans, Gropel and Strydom hoped to show the world "that vegans can do anything and more," Strydom said in March, per the Independent. Initially left behind, Strydom's body has been picked up by helicopter and flown to Kathmandu. (Meanwhile, her mother isn't satisfied by the official story.)


It doesn't matter if it's just a little bit farther to the summit, if you start to suffer from altitude sickness, it's go back immediately or die (she might have died anyway, but his decision to press on probably doomed her). Although I can understand the decision after coming so far and spending so much time and money only to have to turn back just before reaching your goal. (You have to spend some weeks at base camp just to get your red blood cell count up)
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby Doctor X » Tue May 31, 2016 3:57 am

While one can understand the emotional need of her mother to find something to blame, she can only blame herself and her idiot of a husband. I brand him an "idiot" because even those of us laying down roots in our chairs have learned, in minutes, the risks and even some of the signs and symptoms of altitude sickness. We all know the risks.

He should have as well. He and his wife perhaps knew them but ignored them.

Now that is that. No need to pile on him further.

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Postby shemp » Tue May 31, 2016 4:18 am

Anyone who goes up there and dies had it coming! You should never try to achieve anything! Look at me, I've never tried to achieve anything, and I'm successful at it!
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