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Re: Japan

Post by Grammatron » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:39 pm

Doctor X wrote:Well . . . I would recommend this article from the aforementioned Wokketto Nūzu to give a victim's perspective.

Further searching gives an indication to the shame. It has also created a backlash with a few men wrongly accused.

It would certainly be "nice" that what happened is what you describe: people would work together to stop it and ruin the lives of those who do it such that it creates a deterrence. Unfortunately, there is a societal belief that one can treat young women like that. I do not mean to beat up Japan--much--but think of how molesters get away with it in any culture. Read about the "man-boy" culture in Afghanistan if you find your day has just been too pleasant.

I am trying to avoid said Wall of Text, but I fear some of it is the Colossal Over-Generalization of prudishness in "the West" versus Japan.

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This just goes back to the point of culture needing a change so that such incidents are no longer thought of as trivial and victims as someone who's "asking for it." But I don't think separating women into different train cars is a step in solving this problem.
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Re: Japan

Post by sparks » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:31 am

LIne 'em up and shoot 'em on free TV. Better yet: Train then arm all women who feel unsafe around dickheads. After about a generation or two of that and it'll by FSM go away like a bad dream at dawn.

Bonus: It's deliciously not nice due to all the collateral damage that will ensue. :)
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Re: Japan

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:55 am

I think the culture is changing, but as you say cultural change takes time. I would also point out that just because it happens on a crowded train doesn't mean that people in the immediate vicinity are aware that it's happening and are deciding to not to get involved. Most people are looking at their smartphones or reading a book/newspaper, looking out a window, or even sleeping. And the victims rarely speak up. I've been commuting by train for well over a decade now and as I said before, I've never personally witnessed it. I've seen altercations, I've seen the aftermath of, I don't know what exactly because I didn't see what happened, but I've never seen somebody in the act of groping.

They have to train the railway employees how to respond to situations, and also raise the awareness of the public, and these things are are actually happening. But it's just a harder problem to stamp out than you might think. Kind of like how they can't stop hackers or malware completely because for every new countermeasure, the hackers just figure out another way around the problem.
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Re: Japan

Post by Doctor X » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:12 am

Anaxagoras wrote:I've never personally witnessed it. I've seen altercations, I've seen the aftermath of, I don't know what exactly because I didn't see what happened, but I've never seen somebody in the act of groping.


Because you only see white. . . .

. . . and also raise the awareness of the public, and these things are are actually happening.


Probably would be better not to do it with racist signs . . . but that is another subject. It is an open subject in one anime with warning posted on street signs, the girls complaining about it, even traveling together to avoid it. They also complain that people do not do anything. However, the "crowd phenomenon" is sort of multicultural: individuals in crowds ignore things unless you can get the entire crowd focused.

But it's just a harder problem to stamp out than you might think. Kind of like how they can't stop hackers or malware completely because for every new countermeasure, the hackers just figure out another way around the problem.


Though it is not really comparable. Part of the problem with hackers is they live in other countries Image Russia and China that do not give a shit. The chikan is there. It is about changing a culture that tolerates such behavior. That takes time.

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Post by Witness » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:43 am

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Re: Japan

Post by Doctor X » Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:35 pm

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Re: Japan

Post by Pyrrho » Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:36 pm

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Re: Japan

Post by sparks » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:43 am

Not coming here to see reposted shit from fucking Twitter, regardless of how much it reinforces my childish obsessions.
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Re: Japan

Post by Rob Lister » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:44 am



That appears to be just a King Destroyer.

Sparks wrote:Not coming here to see reposted shit from fucking Twitter, regardless of how much it reinforces my childish obsessions.


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Post by sparks » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:43 pm

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Re: Japan

Post by Grammatron » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:47 pm

pillory wrote:jokes aren't funny....seriously thinking......

seriously thinking might be funny....but it's not joke

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Re: Japan

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:57 pm

Humble request: could you just embed those as gfycat format so those of us with iPhones can see them?
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Re: Japan

Post by Grammatron » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:03 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:Humble request: could you just embed those as gfycat format so those of us with iPhones can see them?


I blame Witness

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Re: Japan

Post by Doctor X » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:37 pm

Do not fall asleep in class.

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"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone."--clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far."--Grammatron
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Shit. That's going to end up in your sig."--Pyrrho
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Re: Japan

Post by Grammatron » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:54 pm

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