## Japan

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### Re: Japan

But, how will they continue to afford McDonalds and Burger King?
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### Re: Japan

The Spectator wrote:Mixed blessings: Japan’s eclectic attitude towards faith

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Because religious syncretism is seen as natural and normal, Christianity too has been allowed into the mix. When a couple get married, they do so first at a Shinto shrine, and then, very often, after a costume change, in a Christian ‘chapel’. But there aren’t enough real priests or real chapels to cope with the demand, so 99 per cent of Christian-style wedding services are done with a ‘fake priest’ in a ‘fake chapel’. Sometimes the fake priests are western English teachers looking to make some easy money. When my son (age 20) went to Japan to study this year, I gave him a clerical collar as a leaving present. I wasn’t entirely joking.

The congregants on these occasions are usually unaware that they are not in the presence of a real priest, and are touched that someone has traversed the oceans to minister to them on their big day. But they wouldn’t care, particularly, if you told them it was all a big fake. The Christian wedding service is an event that nods at the power and beauty of Christianity but does not involve any specific dogma on which the congregants need base any action.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/how ... -weddings/

Old article on the same subject: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6067002.stm

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### Re: Japan

The amount some people spend on weddings is ridiculous imho.

I have been aware of this, including the part about how being a fake wedding priest is a possible job opportunity for gaijin. I knew an older guy who did exactly that after retiring from the company. Why people are willing to pay double for a second wedding ceremony though is a mystery to me. I prefer to avoid weddings myself. A younger colleague at work invited me to hers, but I had a "previous family engagement" that I couldn't cancel. I did send a wedding gift (cash) though. You get a present back, which is according to tradition worth half whatever you gave as a gift.

The industry as a whole is worth roughly $25 billion/year compared to$53 billion in the US, but relative to the population size it might actually be bigger, although certainly some Americans also spend a lot on lavish weddings.
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### Re: Japan

Anaxagoras wrote:The amount some people spend on weddings is ridiculous imho.

I have been aware of this, including the part about how being a fake wedding priest is a possible job opportunity for gaijin. I knew an older guy who did exactly that after retiring from the company. Why people are willing to pay double for a second wedding ceremony though is a mystery to me. I prefer to avoid weddings myself. A younger colleague at work invited me to hers, but I had a "previous family engagement" that I couldn't cancel. I did send a wedding gift (cash) though. You get a present back, which is according to tradition worth half whatever you gave as a gift.

The industry as a whole is worth roughly $25 billion/year compared to$53 billion in the US, but relative to the population size it might actually be bigger, although certainly some Americans also spend a lot on lavish weddings.
I never did the minister gig. But I knew people who did. They said it was great money while it lasted. Supposedly it's fading, but one guy I talked to (not a real minister) said back in its heyday he sometimes used to have 7 or 8 weddings lined up on a Saturday at approximately \$100 per wedding. Cash. He said he did this most Saturdays.

As for the gift thing. I like Japan, but I really don't like the never-ending gift giving crap. People I barely know try to give me shit and then, of course, back when I was married, my Japanese ex-wife would feel bound to give them something back. Not only did we not have much money for the return gift back then (I have a lot more since my divorce, Ha! Ha!), we didn't have room for all the useless extra shit that my packrat ex-wife would never throw out, so it always felt like a one-two punch.

Her: "The Tanakas gave us a gift."

Me: "Who?"

Her: "You don't know them."

Me: "Tell them we don't want it."

Her: "I can't tell them we don't want it."

Me: "Well, we [Ha. Ha. "we" ... what am I saying? Like she ever paid!] don't have enough money to buy the return gift."

Me: "Well, at least clean out some of the crap we never use so we can see the floor in the spare room."

Her: "Okay. Later." [It took me a while, but I finally realized "Later" meant "No."]

...

Her: "Oh, Mrs. Tanaka said she liked our return gift and gave us another gift in return."

Me: "Fuuuuuuuuuck!"

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### Re: Japan

Doctor X wrote:While apologizing for it.

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The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.

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### Re: Japan

Works for men who try to dance, but . . .

( •_•)

( •_•)>⌐■-■

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. . . have two left feet.

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### Re: Japan

I don't think having children is any harder than it used to be, people just don't want to be bothered these days so they find excuses. From the article:
“They say that we continue to have less children, but raising children in Japan is really tough. I’m concerned about student loans, as I have to work to repay it. If I lose my job bearing a child, who’s going to repay it? It takes about 20 years to finish repayment, and after that it’ll be late childbearing. Having children isn’t realistic.”

“Of course. Almost every Japanese has to scrape by with income tax, municipal tax, pension, and health insurance payments. If you don’t work, the only option the country gives you is committing suicide. We don’t have the privilege of having children. More than 50 percent of ordinary people are desperate.”
Mind you, I don't consider it anyone's social duty to have children personally. People should have children or not as they prefer. And if that's bad news for the government's balance of payments, so be it.

It's not really a secret but an unintended consequence of modern ideas about equality of the sexes that there will be fewer children. A woman who goes to college and has a career will have fewer children than one who marries young to a male breadwinner. Nowadays everyone, boy or girl, is almost expected to go to college.

Also, the dire predictions assume that current trends will continue ad inifinitum. I doubt that's true. Just because we cannot foresee now how or why it will change, doesn't mean it won't. Back in the 70s, everyone thought the Population Bomb was unstoppable. People would never stop having so many goddamned babies, and so we were doomed. Few would have predicted that population would start to naturally decline within a few decades without draconian government interference. Now people worry about the opposite problem. I think eventually things will reach some sort of equilibrium naturally.
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### Re: Japan

If you are saying I need to ワイフさんお母さんを手伝う, ask her to wear the Faye Valentine costume.

For science.

--J.D.

P.S. But, exactly, and as the article notes "having children" is no longer something "you do" which is feasible. The handwringing aside, I doubt that Japan is "going extinct" any time soon. I remember as a Wee Spud being shown a SCIENCE [!--Ed.] exhibit where by, like, 1997, there would be only a square yard for EVERYPERONSONPLANTEDEYDURKERJERBZ!

Right after the Ice Age.

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To be fair, that is a standard product in any joke shop according to sparks.

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### Re: Japan

But are they all Japan quality?

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--J.D.
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"Doctor X is just treating you the way he treats everyone--as subhuman crap too dumb to breathe in after you breathe out."--Don
DocX: FTW.--sparks
"Doctor X wins again."--Pyrrho
"Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry."--His Humble MagNIfIcence
"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone."--clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far."--Grammatron
"Indeed you are a river to your people.
Shit. That's going to end up in your sig."--Pyrrho
"Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power."--asthmatic camel
"just like Doc X said." --gnome

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Bomba Sexy!
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--J.D.
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"Doctor X is just treating you the way he treats everyone--as subhuman crap too dumb to breathe in after you breathe out."--Don
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"Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry."--His Humble MagNIfIcence
"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone."--clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far."--Grammatron
"Indeed you are a river to your people.
Shit. That's going to end up in your sig."--Pyrrho
"Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power."--asthmatic camel
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### Re: Japan

Are they good eatin'?
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Fuck that. I saw one of those buzzing around my front door yesterday.
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### Re: Japan

Doctor X wrote:To be fair, that is a standard product in any joke shop according to sparks.

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And they are not nice, so carry on.

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