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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:35 pm

There are similar groups today.

Perhaps that particular one still exists with organizational continuity.
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:25 am

From a local history FB group I belong to, sort of a "This day in local history" type deal

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Kind of how spoiled we are today. I can't imagine not being able to reach any particular town or city I might want to go to via a good road. But there was a time, not that far out of living memory...
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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

Post by Doctor X » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:54 am

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I am not sure which offends me more: that they transliterated a Greek word into Bad Hebrew, or that they never bothered to learn the Biblical Hebrew for "Temple" and transliterated the English into Bad Hebrew.

It would be like addressing you as "Комрадз" particularly since you just have to have "з" in a "Russian" word. Now if only I could find some way to justify adding in: "я" Oh wait! "Комяадз!!"

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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

Post by Grammatron » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:03 am

Doctor X wrote: I am not sure which offends me more: that they transliterated a Greek word into Bad Hebrew, or that they never bothered to learn the Biblical Hebrew for "Temple" and transliterated the English into Bad Hebrew.

It would be like addressing you as "Комрадз" particularly since you just have to have "з" in a "Russian" word. Now if only I could find some way to justify adding in: "я" Oh wait! "Комяадз!!"

--J.D.
How interesting.

I wonder how one would go about in that time translating English into Bad Hebrew, in Harlem.

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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

Post by Doctor X » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:47 am

I have not researched the group, but it is, to stretch my "Ruskie" analogy, an interesting case of some research but not nearly enough. In other words, they know that ע is now used as a vowel. It was not originally. It was a sort of "stop" like א. Since א is used in words for the deity ’Ēl (אל) [’ transliterates א and you have to add the vowel] where it often appears to have an "e" or ĕ pronunciation. So I would expect them to use א for the "e" of "Temple." Incidentally, ע appears in Ba‛al (בעל) which makes it "Ba . . . al." Or as one mentor put it, it is like the way people in Liverpool pronounce "Beatles": "Be . . . tles."

But worse they use a terminal mem (ם) rather than the one used in the beginning and middle of words (מ).

So back to my "Ruskie" analogy, it is like me recognizing you have an я then assume that, hey, Russian has backwards letters! So, of course, I use з not knowing it is not a vowel. I then spell "Tsar" as "Тsaя" or something like that.

Now, all of that is learned in your first few class of Biblical or Modern Hebrew: the fucking alphaefbet. [Stop that.--Ed.] Russian is one of the many languages of which I am Functionally Illiterate to the Point that I Would be Taken Behind a Shed and Liquidated[Level I--Ed.], but even I know з is not "e" in Russian! Give me twenty minutes and you will know that my name is YHWH when I lay my vengeance . . . er . . . you will know the Hebrew alefbet, what a terminal mem is, and, yes, the word for "Temple."

It will take another day or two to explain the "dots."

Fuck it . . . performing some G00glз Fו:

Black Jews

Even from that site, it is clear that these "Rabbis" who were "experimenting with Judaism" are as legitimate as me claiming I am a Cossack because . . . well . . . I have this hat:
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Post by Grammatron » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:57 am

His father was a policeman who also had a reputation as a “fiery preacher’ at the Wesleyan Methodist Church where Arnold was baptized; yet, it is not known if Edward’s teaching espoused traditional Methodist beliefs or if it urged the embrace of Judaism that his son would later advocate.
Of course, Methodists...

It is seriously interesting to me how people would gravitate toward a religion that is so very different but more than that incredibly persecuted in the world.

PS: Thank you for the Hebrew lesson and a great Russian analogy. That was almost as fun as your mom.

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Post by Doctor X » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:43 am

Well, I was tired after trying to satisfy Your Mom![!--Ed.] Mine is quite spry, and look at what she has to work with.

Et cetera.

There is a tendency to, to paraphrase Jung, chase after the more ridiculous with the most "feathers/plumage" in the search for "something." People unsatisfied will search for cultures different from themselves sort of to be different. With religion there is this sort of Myth of the Japanese Original: that you can find the "original and pure form" of "whatever." Truth be told, that is a complete myth since such does not exist. Wiccan is an amalgamation started by Some Guy Bored around the turn of the last century. The "Druids" are similar: based on nothing. Same with all of the various Nordic proponents. It is a bit of an irony that the main source for such myths is Snurli Snurlisonsoondekurtsonsnurl who was a very devote Christian and who clearly denigrates the myths thusly.

This specific system seems to be a bunch of people reading "Da Bible" in English and declaring themselves "Jews" like "Jews for Jesus"--all of the proponents of which I have ever met have not, actually, been Jewish. Perhaps I keep beating the wrong ones when they come at me with fliers.

I digress.

You can understand, though, in the black community the desire to "break" from the "white" traditions. Still, traditions one grew up on always remain. You can either renounce them utterly by replacing them with something: Nation of Islam for example, or you can pretend you are believing in something "much, much better."

But just as if I want to be a "Cossack" I have to learn Russian--or even the dialect they speak--learn to ride a horse, and all of that "bother," to be a "Rabbi" requires you to at least know fucking Hebrew!

Much easier for me to put on a hat.

And drink "Woodka."

And fuck Russian Women.

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Post by ed » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:31 am

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Looks like the same building.
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Post by sparks » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:39 pm

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Post by Doctor X » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:14 am

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BWAHAHA...No, we won't teach them to read for themselves, but... :)
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:54 pm

Looks like a real Holden Caulfield type in need of a serious ass kicking. 8)
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