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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

Post by Grammatron » Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:46 pm

Those are shitty defensive stances. Are those ladies even trying?

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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:53 pm

Two past foreign countries at once.

The era in which this was painted (get a load of that hat) + ancient Israel where it is alleged to have happened. :coolspecs:

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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

Post by Witness » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:00 pm

Grammatron wrote:
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Those are shitty defensive stances. Are those ladies even trying?
Part of the "foreign country" vibe, dear literalist. :mrgreen:

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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

Post by Witness » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:08 pm

↑↑ @Abdul: Judith has fascinating clothes, especially her gloves (and how she wears her rings over them!). I don't know how these splits in the fabric or leather are called in English, in French it's "crevés".

And always a pleasant rocky countryside in the background. :)

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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:53 pm
Two past foreign countries at once.

The era in which this was painted (get a load of that hat) + ancient Israel where it is alleged to have happened. :coolspecs:

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Well, he needed beheading!
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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:05 am

Note the look on his face.

You can tell from that alone he's having a bad day.
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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

Post by Witness » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:29 pm

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I don't know how these splits in the fabric or leather are called in English, in French it's "crevés".
Found out, they are called "pinks".

While searching around for that, I hit on an interesting historical curiosum: the first book of fashion.
Fashion: The accountant who created the first book of f

Creating fashion history is not something you would normally expect from an accountant.

But in an extraordinary undertaking spanning 40 years a style-obsessed accountant from Augsburg in Germany recorded in detail what he wore, creating what historians now think is the world's first fashion book.

Interested in clothes from a young age, Matthaeus Schwarz started commissioning watercolour paintings of himself at the age of 23 and continued until he was 63. No other pictorial record like it exists, say experts.
[…]
Schwarz was the head accountant for the Fugger family, one of the most important and wealthy German merchant and banking families at the time.

He started to record his appearance in 1520, initially commissioning 36 images to retrospectively cover his appearance from childhood up until the age of 23. Over four decades he commissioned a total of 137 original watercolour images of his outfits, painted by three principal artists.

He continued until he was 63 and then had the pages bound, creating what became known as the Schwarz Book of Clothes.

What makes Schwarz so remarkable is that he was one of the first people to be interested in fashion as a cultural phenomenon, says Rublack.

"At the time wealthy Germans were serious about dressing properly but considered it foolish to be into fashion in its own right."

Schwarz was an innovator, playing with his style and exploring new cuts, colours, fabrics and details. He had fun with clothes.
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At the time it was fashionable to "pink" clothes. This was a technique where a sharp chisel was used to slice through material creating a slash. Notes made by Schwarz reveal his doublet had a staggering 4,800 small pinks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22766029 (more pics & video)

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(Schwarz on the left, his boss Fugger on the right.)

The whole book can be downloaded from a link on Schwarz's Wiki page.

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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

Post by shemp » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:12 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:53 pm
Two past foreign countries at once.

The era in which this was painted (get a load of that hat) + ancient Israel where it is alleged to have happened. :coolspecs:

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Caravaggio did it better, and probably more accurately:

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Post by sparks » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:40 pm

Blood letting gone wrong. Out with the bad humors and in with the good and all that.

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Post by Doctor X » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:44 pm

Barking up the wrong pole.

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Post by shemp » Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:54 am

Doctor X wrote:
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Barking up the wrong pole.

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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

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shemp wrote:
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Caravaggio did it better, and probably more accurately
I beg to differ on that point. Neither are "accurate" in depicting a scene from Antiquity, and if Caravaggio certainly is more photographic in his rendering, his Judith looks too much like some kitchen maid straight from the sink. Strange attire for an erotically charged, and very dangerous, meeting with a VIP.

But Cranach's lady has a hell of a lot of class. And I also like her dreamy expression, as if beheading was just a minor social grace to her. I think Cranach had humor. :mrgreen:

Now a 1928 version by Franz von Stuck:
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Post by shemp » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:20 am

Witness wrote:
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shemp wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:12 pm
Caravaggio did it better, and probably more accurately
I beg to differ on that point. Neither are "accurate" in depicting a scene from Antiquity, and if Caravaggio certainly is more photographic in his rendering, his Judith looks too much like some kitchen maid straight from the sink. Strange attire for an erotically charged, and very dangerous, meeting with a VIP.

But Cranach's lady has a hell of a lot of class. And I also like her dreamy expression, as if beheading was just a minor social grace to her. I think Cranach had humor. :mrgreen:

Now a 1928 version by Franz von Stuck:
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Cranach painted her like she was some cheap Venetian prostitute. He also painted her in a very flat and lifeless style, while Caravaggio brought richer color and action to the story. Caravaggio, in the eyes of some critics, was the father of modern art, while Cranach, though not a "hack" by any stretch of the imagination, painted in an older style devoid of more modern aspects of light and color.

However, if I were to purchase one of these paintings and hang it, it would be von Stuck's version. :D
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Post by Witness » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:40 am

↑ "Cheap"? You have no idea.

Here's Cranach the Elder's sig:

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That man can't be entirely bad. :P

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Re: Abdul's official "The past is a foreign country" thread.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:18 am

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Now a 1928 version by Franz von Stuck:
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Haven't I seen that sword in a video game? :BigGrin3:
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Last Judith, then back to the past. Klimt:
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