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Post by Rob Lister » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:20 pm

Pick one. From anywhere. Mark it up.

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Is low (but population sustaining) birthrate really that big a disadvantage? The ratio of supporters to supported is visually a little different than it would logically seem.

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:51 pm

Well the population cannot increase forever. I don't know what the sustainable limit is, but logically there must be one.

No, I've thought about this before, and everyone only focuses on the down sides of a low birth rate: the high ratio of retirees to workers.

But as long as productivity per worker keeps increasing, I don't think it's such a huge problem.

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So as long as the trend in productivity per worker continues to rise as it has, standards of living can still go up even when a smaller percentage of the population is of working age (there may need to be some more redistribution though).

In one of these threads I posted a graph showing that it costs much more to raise a child today than in the past, but I'm not going to go looking for that just now. Suffice it to say that the large population of minors in developing countries doesn't necessarily mean that more money is being spent on those kids than on the small population of kids in developed countries. In fact, I'd bet that the opposite is true.
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Pyrrho » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:01 pm

Swamp gas sightings 1950 to present. Uptick coincides with global warming.

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by ed » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:38 pm

Rob Lister wrote: Is low (but population sustaining) birthrate really that big a disadvantage? The ratio of supporters to supported is visually a little different than it would logically seem.
The issue is not intra nation, it is inter nation. When intellect and productivity and advancement and enlightenment principles reach an unsustainable minimum the world will change into an ugly place. Suppose they are allowed to enter the bastions of the remnants of the enlightenment? Suppose their ideals become the reality since they have the vote. This in incredibly elitist but in this scenario, the poorest black guy will have more in common with a college professor than the people who will be the majority. Elite is relative.

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Bruce » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:42 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Swamp gas sightings 1950 to present. Uptick coincides with global warming.

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http://www.quandl.com/NUFORC/SIGHTINGS-UFO-Sightings
Meanwhile, the refracted light from Venus was less than expected.

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:46 pm

Japan at least is surrounded by oceans. Not so easy to get here from Africa.
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Rob Lister » Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:46 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:Suffice it to say that the large population of minors in developing countries doesn't necessarily mean that more money is being spent on those kids than on the small population of kids in developed countries. In fact, I'd bet that the opposite is true.
And the distribution may different too. Kids might start work at 6. Adults may stop at death.

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by WildCat » Sun Jun 15, 2014 6:44 pm

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Anaxagoras wrote:Suffice it to say that the large population of minors in developing countries doesn't necessarily mean that more money is being spent on those kids than on the small population of kids in developed countries. In fact, I'd bet that the opposite is true.
And the distribution may different too. Kids might start work at 6. Adults may stop at death.
At the old age of 45.
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Post by quarky » Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:54 am

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Post by Witness » Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:40 am

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Post by hammegk » Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:45 pm

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Witness » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:06 am

Here's a clearer one:
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Thickness ~ number of survivors.

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Post by Doctor X » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:07 am

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by clarsct » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:15 am

There is a slight anomaly in the Hiroshima graph that is somewhat fascinating. From about 2.5-3 kilometers from the blast, the numbers increase. Falling buildings causing injuries, or was there better reporting for some reason?
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Post by Doctor X » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:32 am

This is pure speculation based on some research. One of the major problems with Hiroshima and Nagasaki is no one really knows how many people were there at the time of the bombings. There are guestimates. Hiroshima was a major military city which drew in a lot of outsiders.

At the hypocenter--oddly enough a hospital which has since been rebuilt--people and buildings were vaporized. The "aiming point" was a bridge--missed--which preserved "shadows" of people on it. Go out a bit and you had basically shrunken carbonized bodies. No one counted those. Then you have those severely injured: blinded with a New Burn Grading damage to skin which--literally--was hanging off their limbs. Not many of them would survive.

Then, as you note, you have those killed by other reasons--building collapse is a major one. Of the top of my head, something like 89% of building were destroyed. The author of the manga Barefoot Gen which is far better than the Japanese Original Animation adaption suffered the same fate as a few survivors: watching relatives/siblings pinned under debris and being burned to death. Many died from the fires.

I do not have it in front of me, but a Hiroshima doctor remarked on the low percentage of survivors with broken limbs. Reason: those with broken limbs could not escape the fire. From survivors descriptions it was a literal hell on Earth.

So, close to the hypocenter you have only approximations of death tolls. In many cases you had no bodies. Further out you have "survivors" who died quickly. Many tried to find water/safety in cisterns and in the river in which they died. Many bodies were sent out to sea. Further out you actually get bodies you can "count."

It is a rather grim reality that no one really knows how many were killed. To further the horror, Nagasaki was bombed only because the primary had too much cloud cover. Many were "saved" at Nagasaki because of some screw ups and weather such that the bomb was dropped far from its target and much of its effect was dissipated by a mountain, I believe. A lot of butt-hurt over that with brass questioning the pilot in charge all the way down to bitching between him and Tibbetts years later. It seems he fucked up a bit.

Even with all of that, many died. The bomb was far more powerful.

Yet, the Japanese military wished to continue the war. Some claimed--seriously--that international horror to the bombing would force the United States NOT to use further bombs. Yup. Further, though Hirohito was intentionally portrayed--MacArthur!--as wanting to end the war subsequent documents show that he would have wanted it to continue IF surrender meant loss of his position. Some of his relatives suggested he abdicate in favor of a son--this would allow peace since the US and allies could go after him as a war criminal while the "sitting" Emperor would be maintained.

He refused.

The lesson in all of this is that war is so terrible it makes such things necessary.

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Post by quarky » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:33 pm

Nice write, Doc.
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Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:41 pm

What do these things have in common?

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College tuition, medical care and home prices.

Compared to everything else.
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