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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:25 pm

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by ed » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:12 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
xouper wrote:This first chart is misleading because it includes suicides:
This is one point I keep seeing over and over. I agree with you by the way. Suicides should be treated as a separate issue. It has nothing to do with gun ownership rates, and Japan demonstrates that. Guns are almost nonexistent in Japan, and yet the suicide rate is higher than in the USA. Considerably higher. (Although it is coming down; Source (interesting article by the way))

So, in my opinion, "gun deaths" is a meaningless statistic. Look at overall homicide rates instead.
I agree with this point too. Suicide is very thorny issue and conflating it with gun deaths is wrong, on a number of levels.

I would also like to see the us figures with black on black homicides scrubbed out.
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Pyrrho » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:13 pm

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Witness » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:04 am

ed wrote:I agree with this point too. Suicide is very thorny issue and conflating it with gun deaths is wrong, on a number of levels.

I would also like to see the us figures with black on black homicides scrubbed out.
Another problem is finding reliable data for gun ownership by state. I tried and was always sent back to the stats used in the graphics I posted. Which are by some anti-gun lady, so…

The CDC isn't very helpful either, presumably because that kind of inquiry is a political hornet's nest and/or because they have been throttled by the gub'ment. (Didn't we have some posts about that already?)

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by ed » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:54 pm

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Rough but it reflects the fact that ~50% of homicides are committed by black men, presumably in inner cities. The numbers are from the FBI. I assume that they are racist.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... r_2013.xls

This is from http://demographicdata.org/facts-and-fi ... tatistics/
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Murders are from the FBI (I assume, they line up with the other number) the ownership data is from the U of Chi. They were unclear as to whether this is HHs or individuals. No real matter for purposes of discussion.

I had gone thru this with Claus ages ago. I ceeded the point that you cannot have gun deaths if there are no guns. He took that as an argument that guns should be eliminated. Beyond that, there is no relationship between firearm availability and murder rates. an rsqr ~0 is random.
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:57 pm

What's the point of filtering out the blacks from the statistics?

One cannot make public policy as if they don't exist.
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Rob Lister » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:27 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:What's the point of filtering out the blacks from the statistics?

One cannot make public policy as if they don't exist.
Not filtering blacks out, filtering black on black out sub-category. What purpose [for public policy] is there in including it?

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by ed » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:48 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:What's the point of filtering out the blacks from the statistics?

One cannot make public policy as if they don't exist.
They are a murderous subsegment that cannot, politically, be addressed. I have no doubt that the majority of blacks murder just like whites but some do not. It is simply a bias in the data that illustrates nothing and cannot be fixed.
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Pyrrho » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:43 am

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Pyrrho » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:04 am

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:42 am

Pyrrho wrote:Image
First one is a little vague. Does ancient Greece (Athens) count as an "ancient advanced civilization"? The Mayans? The Egyptians?

Some people might not believe in Atlantis itself, but still think that some other ancient civilizations count as "advanced".
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by sparks » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:08 am

If they haven't melted at least one reactor, they're not advanced damnit!


wait.....
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:19 am

Belief in Atlantis, the ones about aliens, and Bigfoot may be factually incorrect but are not "paranormal" beliefs.

Such notions may correlate with also believing in the paranormal, but that's a separate issue of gullibility.
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Fid » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:29 am

sparks wrote:If they haven't melted at least one reactor, they're not advanced damnit!


wait.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_n ... on_reactor

Natural? I think not.
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:47 am

sparks wrote:If they haven't melted at least one reactor, they're not advanced damnit!


wait.....
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. :coolspecs:
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by sparks » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:50 am

"Buy these shitty glasses and see the colorful bald eagle, rat with wings, that is the symbol of our country, on this tiny post card!"

And the sad fact is: People are buying them.
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Grammatron » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:23 pm

The tastiness portion is interesting. Lobster is just meh?

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Post by Pyrrho » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:36 pm

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