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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:33 pm

11-year-olds hack mock version of Florida's election site in minutes
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They haven’t even made it to high school yet, but they managed to hack into a mock version of Florida’s election website and change the results in a matter of minutes.

An 11-year-old boy pulled off the feat in less than 10 minutes during DEFCON 26, the world’s largest hacking convention, according to a report by PBS News Hour. Buzzfeed reported another child — an 11-year-old girl — manipulated the site to make it appear that libertarian candidate Darrell Castle had won Florida’s presidential vote in 2016.

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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by Grammatron » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:14 pm

No they didn't.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:18 pm

What then?
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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by sparks » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:18 pm

Grammatron wrote:
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No they didn't.
Evidences please?
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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by Grammatron » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:21 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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What then?
Kids break into an locked house through a simple exploit of a brick through glass. Oh by the way, for the purpose of this exercise we disabled all the alarm systems for some reason.

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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by Witness » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:10 pm

ed wrote:
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I should run
Oh yes, please, please, please!!! :worship:

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Post by Witness » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:12 pm

Read about that. Even if it's true, it's only the results' display which got "hacked".

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Post by Grammatron » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:19 pm

Witness wrote:
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Read about that. Even if it's true, it's only the results' display which got "hacked".
Some of the hacks were interesting, but anything that requires physical access and/or dissembling of the device are not. Those are less of a risk than actual ballot box stuffing.

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Post by Witness » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:26 pm

Nothing like good old fashioned manual methods. :mrgreen:

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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by Witness » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:29 am

'In God We Trust' now must be displayed in all Florida schools, school buildings

Gov. Scott signed a bill in March that requires all schools to display signs with the state motto in "a conspicuous place."

The measure is part of a sweeping education bill signed into law in March by Gov. Rick Scott, which includes the nation's first ever private school voucher program for bullied students.

The state statute (1003.44) specifically says, "Each district school board shall adopt rules to require, in all of the schools of the district and in each building used by the district school board, the display of the state motto, “In God We Trust,” designated under s. 15.0301, in a conspicuous place."

The measure was sponsored by Rep. Kimberly Daniels, D-Jacksonville, who runs a Christian ministry, according to the Orlando Sentinel.
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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by Giz » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:21 am

How on earth does that get by the separation of church and state?

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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by xouper » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:40 am

'In God We Trust' now must be displayed in all Florida schools, school buildings
Giz wrote:
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How on earth does that get by the separation of church and state?
I wonder the same thing.

The United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit has ruled that the "motto has no theological or ritualistic impact".

The United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit has ruled the "primary purpose of the slogan was secular."

The United States Supreme Court has declined to hear the case.

See for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aronow_v._United_States

Apparently the courts get around the separation of church and state by emasculating the meaning of "God". So even though religion seems to win, they do so by losing the traditional meaning of God.

Still, I don't buy it.

Having the motto on the money does not bother me. But having it in public schools does. The First Amendment doesn't just mean freedom of religion, it also means freedom from religion (or any form of theistic nonsense).

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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by xouper » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:58 am

If I was a Florida student and had to look at that motto every day and having to think about where I put my trust, I be wearing one of these:

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Or one of these:

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Or on special occasions, maybe one of these:

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A short history lesson:

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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by sparks » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:18 am

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitutio ... _amendment

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Money doesn't matter, and fuck a bunch of buildings too. Sure, it's offensive as hell IMHO, but stupid is as stupid does. Don't like the idea of Gawd? Don't send your kids there for an edumacation. Don't use the filthy lucre.

But, since Gawd doesn't exist except in their tiny Earth minds, why not take advantage of Teh Stoopidz and prosper? :)


No, I don't really mean that. Fer fucksakes, only Listy would say something like that and mean it... :)
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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:02 pm

"In God we trust" has appeared on the currency off and on since the Civil War, though it was made permanent in 1956. It's also a line in one of those verses nobody sings of The Star Spangled Banner.

It's not an "establishment of religion" the same way the C of E is an establishment of religion, which is what I suspect the founders were worried about.
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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by Giz » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:22 pm

xouper wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:58 am
A short history lesson:

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Did it really reflect our history of diversity and tolerance? Or did it recognise that several 'independent' colonies were coming together to forge a single nation?

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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by Grammatron » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:12 pm

There was plenty of diversity. From land owners to not land owners.

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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by xouper » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:51 pm

Giz wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:22 pm
xouper wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:58 am
A short history lesson:

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Did it really reflect our history of diversity and tolerance? Or did it recognise that several 'independent' colonies were coming together to forge a single nation?
Excellent question. I do not know. I suspect they meant the latter.

See for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum
wikipedia wrote:The meaning of the phrase originates from the concept that out of the union of the original Thirteen Colonies emerged a new single nation.[8]
Also, there are evidences of colonial intolerance towards certain kinds of people. Witches or slaves, for example. :P

I know of no society that is completely intolerant, since such a thing is self-contradictory.

In the US, for example, liberals and Democrats claim to stand for tolerance and diversity but in fact are often vehemently intolerant of certain kinds of people they do not approve of.

I know that doesn't answer your question, but that's the best I can do at the moment.

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Re: Why Florida is an awsome place to live

Post by Witness » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:03 am

Giz wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:21 am
How on earth does that get by the separation of church and state?
Seems it's an old problem. Googled around a bit and found this from the Cleveland Daily Leader, 30 Dec. 1865:

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https://www.newspapers.com/image/709238 ... e+Trust%22

More googling showed that, according to polls, a big majority of Muricans are opposed to the removal or replacement of the motto. (Is that magical thinking: "Oh noes, gOD will remove hIS protection!!!"?)



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