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Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by Bruce » Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:56 am

They have announced that they plan to die there while making a stand, but they're not Muslims, so new media is pretty much: 'meh'.

Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters
After the peaceful rally was completed today, a group of outside militants drove to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge, where they seized and occupied the refuge headquarters. A collective effort from multiple agencies is currently working on a solution. For the time being please stay away from that area.
Translation: Bunch of redneck good 'ol boys stirring up trouble again. Sheriff's been called. Best stay back for now. See you in church. We'll pray for them.

Yes, this is the same Bundy family that was in the forgettable Nevada ranch stand-off. The "Negros would have been happier picking cotton" fella. Just defending the constitution, they say. :roll:
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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by Pyrrho » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:23 pm

It is going to take some doing for someone else to top that as the stupidest event of 2016.
Among the occupiers is Ammon Bundy, son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, and two of his brothers. Militia members at the refuge claimed they had as many as 100 supporters with them. The refuge, federal property managed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, was closed and unoccupied for the holiday weekend.

In phone interviews from inside the occupied building Saturday night, Ammon Bundy and his brother, Ryan Bundy, said they are not looking to hurt anyone. But they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them, they said.

"The facility has been the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds," Ammon Bundy said.

"We're planning on staying here for years, absolutely," he added. "This is not a decision we've made at the last minute."

Neither man would say how many people are in the building or whether they are armed. Ryan Bundy said there were no hostages, but the group is demanding that the Hammonds be released and the federal government relinquish control of the Malheur National Forest.

He said many would be willing to fight — and die, if necessary — to defend what they see as constitutionally protected rights for states, counties and individuals to manage local lands.

"The best possible outcome is that the ranchers that have been kicked out of the area, then they will come back and reclaim their land, and the wildlife refuge will be shut down forever and the federal government will relinquish such control," he said. "What we're doing is not rebellious. What we're doing is in accordance with the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land."

Government sources told The Oregonian/OregonLive that the militia also was planning to occupy a closed wildland fire station near the town of Frenchglen. The U.S. Bureau of Land Management posts crews there during the fire season.
It is going to end in blood, shit, and tears and the general populace is not going to give a damn.

"It's the people's land," they say...which they want only for themselves, naturally. I guess that is classic U. S. of American behavior.
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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:59 pm

Prediction: Something stupider will happen this year. I have no idea what specifically. Wait and see.
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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by Pyrrho » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:06 pm

https://www.rt.com/usa/327762-armed-bun ... -ranchers/
The militiamen told OregonLive there were about 150 of them, but a couple who delivered food to the refuge HQ estimated that there were just 15.

The Bundys and their armed supporters occupied the federal property after splitting from a peaceful Saturday morning protest in Burns, Oregon.
Ok so we need 1 Army Ranger.
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Post by Pyrrho » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:10 pm

Buried in the stories on this incident is this nugget which seems to be part of the basis for the occupation:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... G_STANDOFF
The father and son of a prominent Oregon ranching family plan to surrender Monday to serve more time in prison for setting fires that spread to government lands they leased as cattle rangeland.

Seventy-three-year-old Dwight Hammond and 46-year-old Steven Hammond say they lit the fires in 2001 and 2006 to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires.

The two were convicted three years ago and served time, but a judge ruled the terms were too short. Federal lawyers prosecuted the ranchers under an anti-terrorism law that they say required a five-year minimum sentence.
NYT mentions it briefly:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/03/us/or ... vists.html
The Hammonds admitted they lit fires in 2001 and 2006, but said it had been to protect their property from wildfires and invasive plant species, The A.P. said. They were convicted three years ago, and the father served three months in prison, while the son served one year.

The Harney County Sheriff’s Department said the Oregon State Police was handling the incident. Beth Anne Steele, a spokeswoman for the F.B.I. in Portland, said the agency was “aware” of the situation, but declined to comment further.

The Bundys have been organizing opposition to the government case against the Hammonds on social media in recent weeks, which they described as a tyrannical use of federal authority
Another story:

http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/ ... e.html.csp
An Eastern Oregon rancher and his adult son on Wednesday finally got the prison sentences they deserve — according to the law — for deliberately setting fires that spread from their property onto federal land.

Dwight Hammond Jr., 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, were each sentenced to mandatory minimum sentences of five years, in proceedings scheduled after a federal appeals court ruled that a judge in Eugene had disregarded the law and let the ranchers off too lightly during their original sentencing hearing three years ago.

Now-retired U.S. District Judge Michael Hogan in 2012 sentenced Steven Hammond to one year and a day in prison for setting intentional fires in 2001 and 2006, and ordered Dwight Hammond to spend three months behind bars for his involvement in the 2001 blaze, which burned in the Steens Mountain federal management and protection area.

Hogan, who retired the day after the hearing, said at the time that the mandatory minimum five-year sentences represented “grossly disproportionate” punishment for the crimes.

The government appealed Hogan’s decision, and a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled last year that Hogan had illegally sentenced the Hammonds to terms below the mandatory minimum.

The Harney County ranchers already have served the sentences imposed by Hogan, and will receive credit for that time when they return to prison.
Some comments from the Sheriff and locals in Burns:

http://www.opb.org/news/article/burns-o ... f-militia/

The "militia" are not "local."

Not going to end well at all.
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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by ed » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:28 pm

so "terrorism" is the new "racism"
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Post by Pyrrho » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:33 pm

Seditionists, actually.

If they were black they would likely have been shot dead already.
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Post by Pyrrho » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:58 pm

They have occupied a closed building on a remotely-located wildlife refuge/bird sanctuary that is totally unrelated and unconnected to federal lands under the original dispute. There are no hostages except the refuge itself and the birds, although I suppose a certain amount of wildlife will end up on the dinner table.

My guess is that yes, they planned this carefully in order to get media attention. That is not to say that is has been planned well. After all, it is January and even Oregon gets cold in January. Photos show snow on the ground. The best approach may be to keep any response as low-key as possible and avoid anything resembling a military action. Adrenaline is no doubt running high now but in a week or so they will start getting bored with each other.

However if numerous armed and like-minded idiots arrive in town with the ostensible aim of joining the occupation at the refuge...at what point does it become an armed occupation of the town itself?
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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by Bruce » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:26 pm

ed wrote:so "terrorism" is the new "racism"
"Militia" is the new "clan"

"Rancher" is the new "white trash"

"Seditionists" is the new "outlaw"

"Standing up for the Constitution" is the new "suicide by cop"

Same wolf, slightly different sheep's clothing.

Wondering if the feds are going to shoot first and cover up later like with Waco.

By the way, has anyone claimed to be Jesus yet?
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Post by Pyrrho » Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:28 pm

Well there is a Captain Moroni involved on their side so they have a Mormon angel on the premises.
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Post by Harte » Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:03 pm

Moroni was a Colonel.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:27 am

Doesn't look Italian.

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The "i" is silent.
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Pyrrho wrote:The "i" is silent.
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:07 am

They're willing to martyr themselves so they can each get their 72 cousins in the afterlife
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:57 am

Nyarlathotep wrote:They're willing to martyr themselves so they can each get their 72 cousins in the afterlife
Well, you have to be fair, here, Nyarl, at least 10 of them are virgins.





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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:07 am

Nyarlathotep wrote:They're willing to martyr themselves so they can each get their 72 cousins in the afterlife
:lmao:

But seriously folks ...

You're an ex-Mormon, right?

Isn't it literally true that Mormonism like Islam promises nookie in the afterlife?
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