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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by Pyrrho » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:58 am

CONFIRMED: Occupants of the truck were as stupid as stupid can get.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... -shooting/

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Except for the conspiracy theorists who are still foaming at the mouth.
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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by Doctor X » Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:41 am

BUT WHY DIDN'T THE FBI DISCLOSE THEIR SHOTS, Pyrrho?!!!!




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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by Pyrrho » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:32 am

Probably ashamed to admit that they missed their target. I wonder when the agents did fire their weapons...before Finicum decided to speed off down the road or after he ran off the road and got out of the vehicle like a complete idiot.

All they had to do was to comply with the lawful order to exit the truck when they were stopped in the first place.
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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:26 am

Oregon standoff figure Jake Ryan found hiding in shed in Clark County

Pretty area though:
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(Not where they found the guy, there's a slideshow of scenery from around the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns, Oregon.)
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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:03 am

Some interesting reading:

Bundy Oregon Occupation To Ensnare Many More ‘Cowboys,’ In Nevada
The cascade of legal fallout from the occupation of Oregon’s Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is rippling over to Nevada, where participants in the notorious 2014 Bunkerville armed standoff are now feeling the heat. Bunkerville leader Cliven Bundy is behind bars along with his son, Ammon, who spearheaded the Malheur episode.

In the latest development, last Friday Nevada State Assemblywoman Michele Fiore (R-District 4) dropped word that many more arrests may be on the way, potentially targeting anyone who brought a weapon to the Bunkerville standoff — a figure that could climb into the hundreds.
From Burns, Oregon to Bunkerville, Nevada

For those of you new to the topic, back in 2014 Nevada rancher and melon farmer Cliven Bundy came into the national media spotlight when he called upon a gang of armed thugs to help him scare federal agents away from federal land near the town of Bunkerville. The agents were finally trying to get Bundy’s destructive trespass cattle off public land after a 20-year legal battle over refusal to pay grazing fees among other abuses. However, with Bundy’s snipers taking up positions on high ground, the agents were forced to back down.

Bundy argued that his actions where justified, based on an offbeat — and conveniently self-serving — interpretation of the U.S. Constitution in which the federal government has no property rights outside of Washington, D.C.

In taking up that position, Bundy has served as a grassroots champion for the “states rights” legislative agenda of the powerful Koch-funded lobbying organization ALEC, which through its affiliates seeks to transfer federal land to the states in order to intensify resource extraction and development.

Until last month, Cliven Bundy remained free — and his cattle remained on the taxpaying public’s dime — while law enforcement tried to figure out how to reach him without provoking another potentially violent episode.
Things have only gone downhill from there. An original indictment for Ammon and two dozen of his followers was superseded last week by a fresh indictment with a raft of new, more serious charges along with more arrests, including several persons involved in the Bunkerville episode.
The Michele Fiore connection

One common denominator in all this is Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore. She has been a consistent and vociferous supporter of the Bundys and the “states rights” land privatization movement. Like the Bundys, she is also involved with or supported by groups connected to ALEC.
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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:06 am

Ryan Bundy seems to be pursuing an unorthodox legal strategy. He is acting as his own attorney.

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http://koin.com/2016/07/28/ryan-bundy-w ... -or-judge/
PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — In bizarre court documents filed Tuesday, Ryan Bundy declared himself sovereign from state and federal government and wanted to be paid $1 million to accept “the role” of defendant or inmate.

Bundy, the brother of co-defendant Ammon Bundy in the case of the takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, is acting as his own attorney. The federal court filings were submitted by his court-appointed legal assistant.

Ryan Bundy said he does not accept the role as defendant or inmate without fair and just compensation of $1 million. He also said he is willing to play the “role” of “judge” or “bailiff” for $1 million.
Ryan Bundy Declares Himself An 'Idiot' Not Subject To US Courts
Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupier Ryan Bundy filed a series of court motions late Thursday, declaring himself a sovereign citizen who isn’t subject to federal laws.

Bundy, who is representing himself in the conspiracy case against the refuge occupiers, declares himself an “idiot of the ‘Legal Society’” and not subject to federal law, according to the documents.

“I, ryan c, man, am an idiot of the ‘Legal Society’; and; am an idiot (layman, outsider) of the ‘Bar Association’; and; i am incompetent; and; am not required by any law to be competent,” Bundy wrote in a motion filed to U.S. District Court Judge Anna Brown.

The filings are the latest in increasingly defiant and strange behavior from Bundy, including an alleged escape attempt from the Multnomah County Detention Center.

As justification for the filings separating himself from U.S. laws, Bundy filed a motion declaring himself a sovereign citizen of the “bundy society.” Within that filing, he declared himself a creation of God rather than a “person” as defined by legal dictionaries, and therefore is not subject to laws.
We'll see how that works for him.
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Post by Pyrrho » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:15 pm

He'll later claim to be a political prisoner.
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Post by Rob Lister » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:20 pm

I note that he didn't actually sign the document.

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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by ed » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:27 pm

Thats $5
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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by WildCat » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:15 pm

Is he the one whose head was run over by a car when he was a kid?
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:25 pm

Yes. The one who looks like he perpetually has a huge wad of chaw in his left cheek.
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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by Doctor X » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:24 pm

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Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:09 am

If he's arguing that he's an idiot and "not competent" shouldn't the court appoint a lawyer for him whether he wants one or not?
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Post by Pyrrho » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:06 am

The term "idiot" has a special meaning among the "sovereign citizen" crowd.

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When Ryan Bundy calls himself an "idiot" he's likely relying on a vague meaning from an outdated source such as Black's Law Dictionary.
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Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:44 am

Interesting. I don't know if it's a coincidence (probably not) but there's an online version of Black's Law Dictionary and they have a "legal word of the day", and here is today's word:

http://thelawdictionary.org/
Legal Word of the Day
IDIOTA

In the civil law. An unlearned, illiterate, or simple person. Calvin. A privateman; one not in office. In common law. An idiot or fool.

Law Dictionary: Black's Law Dictionary - Free Online Legal Dictionary
Calvin?? Anyone "not in office"??
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Re: Terrorists take over Federal building

Post by shemp » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:13 am

Maybe he's a Calvinist who plays with his privates?
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Post by Doctor X » Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:35 am

An "idiot"--ἰδιώτης--classically meant one who was private and did not take part in public affairs.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:31 am

And therefore it is a magical word that makes one immune to federal law!

Idiot.
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:58 pm

Thinking there are magic words that make one immune to the law pretty much sums up the Sovereign Citizen movement in a nutshell
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Post by Pyrrho » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:06 pm

What is a Sovereign Citizen?

http://www.deathandtaxes.com/?p=22
The short answer: a sovereign citizen is someone who believes that he or she is above all laws.

The long answer is a bit more complex.

Think about a law you don’t like. Any law, at any level of government. It can be a big law, like paying income taxes, or a tiny one, like licensing your pet Chihuahua with the county.

If you’re a member of the Tea Party movement, the solution to this bad law is to protest your opinion in DC and in other metropolitan areas, write angry letters to your Congressmen, and vote for politicians who agree with you that such a law should be scrapped as soon as possible.

If you’re a member of the sovereign citizen movement, your approach is a bit different. You start by looking for a combination of quotes, definitions, court cases, the Bible, Internet websites, and so on that justify how you can ignore the disliked law without any legal consequences. Be imaginative. Pull a line from the 1215 version of the Magna Carta, a definition from a 1913 legal dictionary, a quote from a founding father or two, and put it in the blender with some official-sounding Supreme Court case excerpts you found on like-minded websites. Better yet, find someone else online who disliked that same law and pay them $150 for a three-ring binder filled with their word salad research.

Et voilà, not only have you proven that you don’t have to obey the law you dislike, heck, it’s your patriotic duty to disobey it, and anyone who tells you otherwise is just plain un-American and is probably part of a world-wide Jewish conspiracy to ensure that Chihuahuas are slaves to the US government.

When you can pick and choose which laws to put through your special blender, you are effectively putting yourself above all laws.
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