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Post by Nyarlathotep » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:19 pm

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:33 pm

Hang on buddy, it's privilege checking time.

Privilege, Power, and Dungeons & Dragons: How Systems Shape Racial and Gender Identities in Tabletop Role-Playing Games
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This article takes a cultural-historical approach to analyzing how systems shape the assumptions, identities, and experiences of their users. Focusing on how the tabletop role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons is built on a system of play that has grown and shifted over the course of 40 years, this study emphasizes the central role that systems play in mediating the experiences of participants. By focusing on depictions of gender, race, and power in Dungeons & Dragons—as a singular cultural practice—this study highlights how researchers must attend to cultural production both around and within systems.
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Post by Giz » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:32 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Hang on buddy, it's privilege checking time.

Privilege, Power, and Dungeons & Dragons: How Systems Shape Racial and Gender Identities in Tabletop Role-Playing Games
Taylor & Francis (Academic publisher)
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This article takes a cultural-historical approach to analyzing how systems shape the assumptions, identities, and experiences of their users. Focusing on how the tabletop role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons is built on a system of play that has grown and shifted over the course of 40 years, this study emphasizes the central role that systems play in mediating the experiences of participants. By focusing on depictions of gender, race, and power in Dungeons & Dragons—as a singular cultural practice—this study highlights how researchers must attend to cultural production both around and within systems.
About time somebody called out D&D for their "one of my best friends is a drow / but the rest of them are violent ne'er do wells" racist tropes.

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Post by Nyarlathotep » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:43 pm

The thing that makes me call bulllshit on studies like that is that they ignore one very important fact, the GM (Dungeon Master, Keeper, Marshall, Referee, Whatever he is called in any given RPG) has far more impact on the tone of the game and the gameworld handles things like gender, race, sexual orientation, etc. A game run by a MAGA hat wearing gun nut is going to have a very different atmosphere than one run by a genderfluid latinx otherkin furry. And gaming is a weird hobby in that it attracts both types and everything in between.

It's also highly dependant on the group dynamic. Some groups just want to kick down doors, kill stuff, and take their loot. Others prefer deep immersive roleplay where every detail of the game world is highlighted. The former probably is going to give zero fucks about gender roles or racial dynamics of the game world, and such things probably won't really be fleshed out or relevant in their game worlds. The latter will give an awful lot of fucks and those things will probably be spelled out in excruciating detail, or at least in the 70 pages of backstory that each player wrote out for his/her/their character.

And even in game systems where such things are spelled out in the game's background itself (i.e. 7th Sea), gamers are notorious tinkers who change such things on a whim.

Makes it impossible to make any real judgements about the game overall.
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Post by gnome » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:02 pm

Another thought:

Seeing the real world as an oversimplified place where bad guys look different, everything revolves around you, and you solve problems by shooting them, victory usually brings reward, and you imagine you know exactly who to shoot and who not to shoot, is a misguided world view. On the other hand, a game world that is that way by design can simply be fun, relieve the player of the moral dilemmas of real life for a little while. Enjoying that doesn't make you a bad person, nor does making it for people's enjoyment either.

TL;DR version: You're not obligated to make a game as morally complex as the real world.
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Post by Giz » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:17 pm

D&D is all about leveling up. Hence the acquisition of privilege is inherent and unavoidable.

The only good guys are the "monsters" who can level drain. They are the Social justice heroes of the d&d universe.

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Post by Grammatron » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:26 pm

gnome wrote:Another thought:

Seeing the real world as an oversimplified place where bad guys look different, everything revolves around you, and you solve problems by shooting them, victory usually brings reward, and you imagine you know exactly who to shoot and who not to shoot, is a misguided world view. On the other hand, a game world that is that way by design can simply be fun, relieve the player of the moral dilemmas of real life for a little while. Enjoying that doesn't make you a bad person, nor does making it for people's enjoyment either.

TL;DR version: You're not obligated to make a game as morally complex as the real world.
IMO you're not obliged to make any game other than what you want to play.

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Post by gnome » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:49 pm

True enough.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:06 pm

Giz wrote:D&D is all about leveling up. Hence the acquisition of privilege is inherent and unavoidable.

The only good guys are the "monsters" who can level drain. They are the Social justice heroes of the d&d universe.
Level drain no longer exists in D&D. So there are no heroes at all, apparently
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Post by Grammatron » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:08 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:
Giz wrote:D&D is all about leveling up. Hence the acquisition of privilege is inherent and unavoidable.

The only good guys are the "monsters" who can level drain. They are the Social justice heroes of the d&d universe.
Level drain no longer exists in D&D. So there are no heroes at all, apparently
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Post by Giz » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:15 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:
Giz wrote:D&D is all about leveling up. Hence the acquisition of privilege is inherent and unavoidable.

The only good guys are the "monsters" who can level drain. They are the Social justice heroes of the d&d universe.
Level drain no longer exists in D&D. So there are no heroes at all, apparently
No level drain?! I played D&D before it was [SJW] cool.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:27 pm

Long story short: Time spent playing D&D is time not spent being oppressed or making a better world.

QED racist m****rfucker. :p
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:36 pm

Better world? I make GREAT worlds, ask anyone who has played in any of my homebrew campaigns. I suppose there is always room for "better" but I am damned good if I do say so myself

And when I DM I am damned proud to be the oppressor of my players, I make THEM the oppressed
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:41 pm

As for race dynamics; in the game I currently am running on Sundays (thus breaking the Sabbath so I can offend Christians as well as people who would prefer I was fighting for social change) I am running a semi-serious horror tinged D&D game and having to gloss over the fact that the player characters consist of 1 human, 1 elf, 1 dragon born (a dragonman, essentially), 1 tabaxi (a cat person) and a lizard man and having to justify why the locals don't grab their torches and pitchforks as soon as they walk into town.

There is your racial dynamics right there.
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:44 pm

gnome wrote:Another thought:

Seeing the real world as an oversimplified place where bad guys look different, everything revolves around you, and you solve problems by shooting them, victory usually brings reward, and you imagine you know exactly who to shoot and who not to shoot, is a misguided world view. On the other hand, a game world that is that way by design can simply be fun, relieve the player of the moral dilemmas of real life for a little while. Enjoying that doesn't make you a bad person, nor does making it for people's enjoyment either.

TL;DR version: You're not obligated to make a game as morally complex as the real world.
Yep. I think part of the appeal of fiction in general (whether it takes the form of books, movies, games or whatever) is that the problems are solvable, unlike real life where they often are not.
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Post by Giz » Sun May 13, 2018 5:45 am

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Mimics?! Who the hell ever met a mimic? What kind of campaigns are you running?

Manticore
Medusa
Mind flayer
Minotaur
Mummy

Who picks ‘mimic’ as an iconic d&d adversary?