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Re: Loss of friends

Postby gnome » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:40 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:"Illegal alien" == resident.

QED


You're not reading the entire document. If you want the kind that isn't excluded for citizenship issues, you have to prove citizenship also.
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:15 pm

I guess that shows California is less crooked than Illinois.

Not surprising really.
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby WildCat » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:58 pm

RCC: Act II wrote:an illegal resident would call attention to him or herself.

Nope, just the fake name they use.
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby WildCat » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:08 pm

gnome wrote:
WildCat wrote:but they always make sure that no systems are put in place to keep them from voting and are vociferous in that endeavor.


I tend to question the bolded part.

Here's the form to register in Illinois: http://www.elections.il.gov/Downloads/V ... F/R-19.pdf

Note Box 10 you can check "I have none of the above-listed identification numbers". If you check that then " If you do not
have a SSN, check the third box and send a copy of the
appropriate document (as described in the “Important Information”
section) along with this form."


And what are "appropriate documents"? A utility bill, bank statement, or pay check. None of which establish citizenship.

Millions of illegal aliens have fake SS cards, and thus work under fake names. Hell a Chicago Alderman's parents got busted for selling fake SS cards and such out of the store they own.

Worst case scenario in the extremely unlikely circumstance they get caught? "Nope, not me" and there's no realistic way they could prove it was.
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:16 pm

WildCat wrote: Millions of illegal aliens have fake SS cards, and thus work under fake names.


Fraudulently obtained, but not "fake" in that the SSN is really issued by the Social Security Administration.

As long as the taxes are paid, the SSA does not care.
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby ed » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:30 pm

Felony.
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Nyarlathotep » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:35 pm

Do we have evidence that "Millions of illegal aliens have fake SS cards, and thus work under fake names" or is this another unquestioned article of faith?
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:37 pm

ed wrote:Felony.


Of course it is, but they are paying taxes.

Whereas catching them costs money.
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:41 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:Do we have evidence that "Millions of illegal aliens have fake SS cards, and thus work under fake names" or is this another unquestioned article of faith?


As noted the SSNs are not fake, though fraudulently obtained.

As for fake names, a few fleeing felons, a few identity thieves.

But in most cases illegals are people who come to do normal work of a non-criminal nature. No point in fake names.
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Nyarlathotep » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:42 pm

So no then
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Grammatron » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:47 pm

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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Grammatron » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:48 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:Do we have evidence that "Millions of illegal aliens have fake SS cards, and thus work under fake names" or is this another unquestioned article of faith?


We do.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood ... 24a6584c04

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditrep ... 1061fr.pdf
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:55 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:So no then


From my perspective, the main issue as regards immigration law enforcement is systematic official connivance.

Even with Trump as president.
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:56 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Nyarlathotep wrote:Do we have evidence that "Millions of illegal aliens have fake SS cards, and thus work under fake names" or is this another unquestioned article of faith?


We do.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood ... 24a6584c04

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditrep ... 1061fr.pdf


That is not evidence of fake SSNs or fake names.

But yes it is evidence of criminal activity.
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Grammatron » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:59 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
Nyarlathotep wrote:Do we have evidence that "Millions of illegal aliens have fake SS cards, and thus work under fake names" or is this another unquestioned article of faith?


We do.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood ... 24a6584c04

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditrep ... 1061fr.pdf


That is not evidence of fake SSNs or fake names.

But yes it is evidence of criminal activity.


How is this not evidence of fake SSN

What we learned is that ... the IRS continues to process tax returns with false W-2 information and issue refunds as if they were routine tax returns, and say that's not really our job. We also learned the IRS ignores notifications from the Social Security Administration that a name does not match a Social Security number, and you use your own system to determine whether a number is valid."
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:00 am

That may be part of the mix in some cases, but your story sounds to me like the IRS does not care.
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby ed » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:02 am

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Re: Loss of friends

Postby Grammatron » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:08 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:That may be part of the mix in some cases, but your story sounds to me like the IRS does not care.


Yes with "some cases" being 3 million in 2011, otherwise sure.
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby WildCat » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:24 am

Nyarlathotep wrote:Do we have evidence that "Millions of illegal aliens have fake SS cards, and thus work under fake names" or is this another unquestioned article of faith?

"Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, estimates that about 1.8 million immigrants were working with fake or stolen Social Security cards in 2010, and he expects that number to reach 3.4 million by 2040."

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... es/499604/
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Re: Loss of friends

Postby WildCat » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:28 am

But I'm sure that people who enter the country illegally, work here illegally, and obtain fraudulent documents would never, ever dream of voting illegally!
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