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One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Rob Lister » Tue May 08, 2018 12:37 pm

Two spaces after period are better than one, except maybe they aren’t, study finds
After APA style change sets world afire, researchers justify double-space but plea for peace.

In what may be one of the most controversial studies of the year, researchers at Skidmore College—clearly triggered by a change in the American Psychological Association (APA) style book—sought to quantify the benefits of two spaces after a period at the end of a sentence. After conducting an eye-tracking experiment with 60 Skidmore students, Rebecca L. Johnson, Becky Bui, and Lindsay L. Schmitt found that two spaces at the end of a period slightly improved the processing of text during reading. The research was trumpeted by some press outlets as a vindication of two-spacers' superiority.

For anyone who learned their keyboarding skills on a typewriter rather than a computer—and for the many who developed their keyboard muscle memory using software packages such as Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing—the double-space after the period is a deeply ingrained truth. While modern style, based on the fallacy that computer typography makes such double-spaces redundant and Paleolithic, has demanded the deprecation of the second tap of the space bar after a punctuation full-stop, many have openly resisted this heresy, believing that the extra space is a courtesy to the reader and enhances the legibility of the text.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/05 ... udy-finds/

Like every oldster that first typed using a manual typewriter with a monospace font, the double space is ingrained in muscle memory. I realize that it is visually unnecessary in any proportional font and converted to single space in any form of HTML regardless of the font, yet my fingers do it anyway. Sue them. I am otherwise agnostic on the issue so don't flame me, bro.
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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby ed » Tue May 08, 2018 12:38 pm

two.

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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby gnome » Tue May 08, 2018 12:39 pm

I always thought it was to avoid ambiguity between an abbreviation and the end of a sentence.
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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Rob Lister » Tue May 08, 2018 12:53 pm

ed wrote:two.

End of discussion.

Do you, like me, still run your finger from right to left in order to get to the next line?

gnome wrote:I always thought it was to avoid ambiguity between an abbreviation and the end of a sentence.

I've never thought that.

But there should be two carriage returns between quotes.

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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby gnome » Tue May 08, 2018 12:58 pm

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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Rob Lister » Tue May 08, 2018 1:02 pm

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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue May 08, 2018 1:12 pm

Two spaces?

Makes good sense if you're using an elite mechanical typewriter.

Elite is a character size. Nothing to do with the typewriter being spifaroo.
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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Rob Lister » Tue May 08, 2018 1:19 pm

This whippersnapper knows elite is 12 char. to the inch.

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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue May 08, 2018 1:28 pm

Rob Lister wrote:This whippersnapper knows elite is 12 char. to the inch.


Nope.

You are not a whippersnapper.

You are an old fart like ed.
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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Anaxagoras » Tue May 08, 2018 1:39 pm

In patent translation we still use two spaces. I think it's a little archaic, but it's what our customers (most of them patent attorneys) expect. One or two specify one space, but two is the default.
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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Rob Lister » Tue May 08, 2018 1:46 pm

Back not too many years ago when I volunteered on Distributed Proofreaders there were huge debates on all grammatical and typographical matters. When the purpose is to republish works originally produced sometimes centuries ago you have to decide if the typesetting they used was a function of typographical style or the author's intent. This could be very tricky. The single- or double-space issue is easy to resolve because the original manuscripts were handwritten. But sometimes you'll find three, four, even ten spaces after a sentence. Clearly the author's intent is to further separate thoughts using farther spacing. What to do? The final editor decides. What I (and most others) did was collapse the spacing and possibly make an editor's note; it is too tedious to incorporate multiple spaces using modern digital tools.

Besides, early typesetters were often obviously drunk.

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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Nyarlathotep » Tue May 08, 2018 2:46 pm

It’s one of those arguments I don’t get, because I can only tell the difference if I go looking for it.

Though most editors and publishers these days insist on one and will kick your shit back for two
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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby robinson » Tue May 08, 2018 3:01 pm

The people who study and design the typewritten word decided long ago that we should use one space, not two, between sentences. That convention was not arrived at casually. James Felici, author of the The Complete Manual of Typography, points out that the early history of type is one of inconsistent spacing. Hundreds of years ago, some typesetters would end sentences with a double space, others would use a single space, and a few renegades would use three or four spaces. Inconsistency reigned in all facets of written communication; there were few conventions regarding spelling, punctuation, character design, and ways to add emphasis to type. But as typesetting became more widespread, its practitioners began to adopt best practices. Felici writes that typesetters in Europe began to settle on a single space around the early 20th century. America followed soon after.

I find the double space makes it easier to read.

The people who study and design the typewritten word decided long ago that we should use one space, not two, between sentences. That convention was not arrived at casually. James Felici, author of the The Complete Manual of Typography, points out that the early history of type is one of inconsistent spacing. Hundreds of years ago, some typesetters would end sentences with a double space, others would use a single space, and a few renegades would use three or four spaces. Inconsistency reigned in all facets of written communication; there were few conventions regarding spelling, punctuation, character design, and ways to add emphasis to type. But as typesetting became more widespread, its practitioners began to adopt best practices. Felici writes that typesetters in Europe began to settle on a single space around the early 20th century. America followed soon after.

The period is to indicate a pause for breath. Reading something aloud you take a breath at a period. If the writer is any good that is. Run on sentences become obvious fuck ups when you try and read one aloud. You can't finish one with out putting a pause in, when you have to breath. A comma is a pause for thought, but not a breath.

Of course this is from the old days, when words were a way to speak with symbols. Now days people are uneducated and create with text these long idiotic never ending asinine run on sentences that are only possible to speak aloud by rushing them, like a manic person who never stops talking, gulping down air in a frenzy so as to never allow a single moment of silence or reflection on what is being said ...
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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Rob Lister » Tue May 08, 2018 3:03 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:It’s one of those arguments I don’t get, because I can only tell the difference if I go looking for it.


The internet would be 3% bigger with double spacing.

3% is a smidgen bigger.

A smidgen is a metric defined as a difference one can discern unaided using any one of the five senses.

Therefore you are wrong.

I may or may not have made shit up.

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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby shuize » Tue May 08, 2018 3:26 pm

It's two spaces you fucking heathens.

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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue May 08, 2018 3:32 pm

One and a half.

With computers, we can do that now. :coolspecs:
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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Rob Lister » Tue May 08, 2018 3:36 pm

robinson wrote:The people who study and design the typewritten word ...


Here is a more important rule: when one directly quotes another, they should attribute. To copy and paste without such has a word.
http://www.slate.com/articles/technolog ... aders.html

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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Rob Lister » Tue May 08, 2018 3:37 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:One and a half.

With computers, we can do that now. :coolspecs:


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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue May 08, 2018 3:38 pm

Rob Lister wrote:Here is a more important rule: when one directly quotes another, they should attribute. To copy and paste without such has a word.


I know! I know!

"Fair use".

OK that's two words. :P
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Re: One or two spaces after the period?

Postby ed » Tue May 08, 2018 3:57 pm

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