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Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:27 am

Particularly if you have had a heart attack. A pretty big effect too, a 50% reduction in risk.

Flu vaccine cuts risk of heart attack for some patients
People who had a recent heart attack who got the flu shot had a 55% lower risk of having a major cardiac event.

Getting a flu shot cuts the risk of having a heart attack or stroke by more than 50% in people who have had a heart attack, a new study shows.

"We may have identified that the flu vaccine may also be a vaccine against heart attacks," says lead author Jacob Udell, a cardiologist at Women's College Hospital and a scientist at the University of Toronto.

Udell and colleagues analyzed six studies on the heart health of more than 6,700 men and women, average age 67. Half got a flu vaccine; half got a placebo shot or nothing. About a third had heart disease and the rest had risk factors such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes and smoking.

People who had had a recent heart attack who got the flu shot had a 55% lower risk of having a major cardiac event, such as a heart attack, stroke, heart failure or dying from another cardiac cause, Udell says. "The highest-risk patient got the highest reward for getting the flu shot."

Other findings, out Tuesday in JAMA, a journal of the American Medical Association, showed that people with a history of heart disease who had a flu shot:

• Had an overall 36% reduced risk of a major cardiac event, such as heart attack, stroke, heart failure or death from cardiac-related causes, one year later.

• Were less likely to die from cardiac-related or other causes. Most deaths were from cardiac causes, Udell says.

• Were 30% less likely to have a major cardiac event with a more potent vaccine compared with a typical seasonal vaccine. The stronger vaccine or a booster shot offered more protection, he says.
Amazing. I've not had a heart attack or been diagnosed with heart disease, but I like to get a flu shot anyway. This is one more possible benefit. I'll talk to my wife tonight about scheduling one. See if I can convince her to get one this year too. I wonder if the "stronger vaccine" mentioned above is available? I've never been offered a choice before between a stronger vaccine or a weaker one.
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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by asthmatic camel » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:16 am

It's a bloody good idea to have the jab if you can; flu can kill, especially if you have existing health problems such as asthma and diabetes. I don't recall being offered a "stronger" vaccine, although there is a live, attenuated version being introduced here this year. Maybe that's what they mean.
The UK generally uses trivalent vaccines (against two strains of influenza A and one of B), which give about 70-80% protection as long as the virus matches the strains against which the vaccine was prepared. From September 2013, a live, attenuated vaccine (Fluenz®) will be offered to all children aged 2 years. All take 10-14 days to produce active antibody levels.[1]

Protection may be less in the elderly, but immunisation has been shown to reduce the incidence of bronchopneumonia, mortality and hospital admission.
In children, Fluenz® has been shown to provide greater protection than the inactivated vaccine.[1]
The vaccine needs to be given annually to provide protection from the antigenically changed nature of the prevailing virus. In the event of a major antigenic shift liable to cause an epidemic or pandemic, it is likely that a monovalent vaccine would be prepared.
Immunisation should be carried out between September and early November. Although most cases occur from mid-November, it is not unknown for the influenza season to start earlier.
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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:38 am

asthmatic camel wrote:Immunisation should be carried out between September and early November. Although most cases occur from mid-November, it is not unknown for the influenza season to start earlier.
High time to get it done then.
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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by Rob Lister » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:07 pm

Do they talk about the mechanism?

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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:53 pm

Rob Lister wrote:Do they talk about the mechanism?
Yeah, but they are only theories:
There are a couple theories, Udell says. One is the "vulnerable plaque theory" -- that inflammation caused by the flu "may turn a stable plaque into an unstable plaque and cause a cardiac event."

Plaque is the result of a buildup in the lining of the arteries of fatty substances, cholesterol, calcium and fibrin (a clotting material in the blood).

Another is the "vulnerable patient theory." That suggests that the side effects from the flu, such as coughing, low oxygen, low blood pressure, fast heart rate and possible pneumonia, may strain the heart and cause a cardiac event, he says.
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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by Doctor X » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:09 pm

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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by sparks » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:09 am

Indeed.

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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by Pyrrho » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:48 am

I'm getting a flu shot tomorrow. Where do I send the stereo.
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Post by Doctor X » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:15 am

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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by Pyrrho » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:23 pm

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Got my flu shot, though. The nurse said, "Good, you're not a bleeder."
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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by Doctor X » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:39 pm

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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by Bruce » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:58 pm

Pyrrho wrote: Got my flu shot, though. The nurse said, "Good, you're not a bleeder."
Aaaaand, I would still prefer to get the flu, thankyouverymuch.

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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by grayman » Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:24 am

Got mine.
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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by Bruce » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:07 pm

Such potential!

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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by asthmatic camel » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:15 pm

Bruce wrote:
Pyrrho wrote: Got my flu shot, though. The nurse said, "Good, you're not a bleeder."
Aaaaand, I would still prefer to get the flu, thankyouverymuch.

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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by Bruce » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:23 pm

asthmatic camel wrote:
Bruce wrote:
Pyrrho wrote: Got my flu shot, though. The nurse said, "Good, you're not a bleeder."
Aaaaand, I would still prefer to get the flu, thankyouverymuch.

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Pussy.

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Well, as they say, you are what you eat, asshole. :nutkick:
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Re: Another reason to get a flu shot

Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:15 pm

IIRC there is a nasal spray version of the vaccine.


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