Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

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Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:42 am

Yeah, no. Turns out the opposite is true:

Butter unlikely to harm health, but margarine could be deadly

Saturated fat does not increase the risk of stroke, heart disease, diabetes or early death, a study has shown

Saturated fat found in butter, meat or cream is unlikely to kill you, but margarine just might, new research suggests.

Although traditionally dieticians have advised people to cut down on animal fats, the biggest ever study has shown that it does not increase the risk of stroke, heart disease or diabetes.

However trans-fats, found in processed foods like margarine raises the risk of death by 34 per cent.

"For years everyone has been advised to cut out fats,” said study lead author Doctor Russell de Souza, an assistant professor in the Department of Clinical Epidemiology and Biostatistics, at McMaster University in Canada.

"Trans fats have no health benefits and pose a significant risk for heart disease, but the case for saturated fat is less clear.

. . .

Saturated fats come mainly from animal products, such as butter, cows' milk, meat, salmon and egg yolks, and some plant products such as chocolate and palm oils.

In contrast Trans unsaturated fats or trans fats - are mainly produced industrially from plant oils for use in margarine, snack foods and packaged baked goods.


I remember hearing about trans fats, but I didn't know margarine was one of them. Fuck. :x

Oh, and the unhealthy trans fats come from plants whereas the benign saturated fats come from animals. Take that vegans!

What else? Oh, just the other day I heard that the plastic they used to replace BPA might be even more dangerous:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html

So if you see a bottle that says "BPA free", just remember that doesn't mean it's any safer. Might actually be worse.
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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Doctor X » Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:54 am

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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Rob Lister » Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:25 pm

"I can't believe it's not butter!"
Have you tasted it?

But we believed the great lie because it is cheaper than butter.

Restaurants used to give it instead of butter. Few do these days. Or I just don't frequent those that do.

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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:29 pm

Margarine is still cheaper, but the difference is less dramatic.
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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby robinson » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:50 pm

I can't believe it! It almost sounds like the consensus was wrong. That's just not possible.
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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Doctor X » Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:47 am

People buy margarine with trans fats in it?

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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby sparks » Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:49 am

IIRC, the initial study that suggested a connection between a blood chemistry shot to hell by eating all the good stuff and plaque build up may have been a smidge premature.

Why the fuck don't they do some more studies to iron out the problems with the first one?

I'd love nothing better than to return to real bacon and eggs for breakfast every-fucking-morning, but not without some substantial new info on it.

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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Anaxagoras » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:37 am

Every morning is probably not a great idea, but the evidence seems to be that occasionally is OK. We're all going to die anyway.
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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Doctor X » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:51 am

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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Rob Lister » Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:01 am

sparks wrote:I'd love nothing better than to return to real bacon and eggs for breakfast every-fucking-morning, but not without some substantial new info on it.

Fuck.


The riskiest part of that is asking the wife to do it. One can get away with it once a week or so but every morning? You're bound to get hurt.

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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby sparks » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:29 pm

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But then again, what the fuck do I know? I'm not married.

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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Witness » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:00 am

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Wikipedia wrote:Emperor Napoleon III of France offered a prize to anyone who could make a satisfactory alternative for butter, suitable for use by the armed forces and the lower classes. French chemist Hippolyte Mège-Mouriès invented a substance he called oleomargarine, the name of which became shortened to the trade name "margarine". Mège-Mouriès patented the concept in 1869 and expanded his initial manufacturing operation from France but had little commercial success. In 1871, he sold the patent to the Dutch company Jurgens, now part of Unilever. In the same year a German pharmacist, Benedict Klein from Cologne, founded the first margarine factory "Benedict Klein Margarinewerke", producing the brands Overstolz and Botteram.

The principal raw material in the original formulation of margarine was beef fat.
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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Anaxagoras » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:30 am

Witness wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:French chemist Hippolyte Mège-Mouriès invented a substance he called oleomargarine, the name of which became shortened to the trade name "margarine".


I've also heard it called "oleo". That's what my maternal grandmother called it, although in my house we mostly called it margarine.
We almost never used real butter in my house when I was a kid. My mother thought margarine was healthier.
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Postby Anaxagoras » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:31 am

Witness wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:French chemist Hippolyte Mège-Mouriès invented a substance he called oleomargarine, the name of which became shortened to the trade name "margarine".


I've also heard it called "oleo". That's what my maternal grandmother called it, although in my house we mostly called it margarine.
We almost never used real butter in my house when I was a kid. My mother thought margarine was healthier. Also she was a vegetarian.
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Postby Nyarlathotep » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:38 pm

I always use real butter and never margarine, but that's 100% due to taste and has nothing to do with health
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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Bruce » Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:39 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:What else? Oh, just the other day I heard that the plastic they used to replace BPA might be even more dangerous:


I suspected that would be the case as soon as I heard that BPA was being banned around 2007.

To make plastics, you need a radical reaction initiating catalyst.

Radical reaction catalysts are by their very nature, very reactive and toxic as hell, as are many reactive chemicals. That's what makes chemical reactions work.

Bis-phenol -A (BPA) just happens to be relatively stable radical initiating catalyst. When the polymerization reaction is finished, some of the BPA gets trapped in the plastic. Since it isn't very water soluble, and most of the foods we put in plastics are water based, it isn't all that much of a danger, except for foods like salad dressings, cooking oil, alcohol (sorry, boxed wine people), and various sauces.

Because it doesn't take much BPA to cause harm, and because it's difficult to measure how much BPA is being extracted from the plastic and getting into your system on a daily basis, it's really hard to tell if you're actually receiving a harmful dose or not. Regulatory agencies don't want to take any sort of risk so they do the knee-jerk thing and ban it all together.

But how are we going to make plastics now, ask the plastics manufacturers?

Tough shit. That's for you to figure out. Hire some egg headed chemists like Bruce.

Bruce - Um.....ok, so has this radical initiator been banned yet?

No. In fact we know very little about that one. Nothing in the database yet. We'll start trying to kill mice with it right now. It will be about 10 years before we can be certain.

Bruce - Right. You do that. Since it isn't banned yet, we'll just start making plastics with this one instead. :)
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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Pyrrho » Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:57 pm

Let's face it. I could get run over by a bus tomorrow.
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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby Doctor X » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:34 pm

But it will be a Transfat-Free bus! :hyper:

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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby sparks » Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:48 pm

And certainly free from, thank FSM, fluoridation.
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Re: Remember when margarine was supposed to be healthier than butter?

Postby robinson » Mon Aug 17, 2015 9:53 pm

As in all things, follow the money if you want to know the truth
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