Outlaw Human Cloning Before Too Late

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Outlaw Human Cloning Before Too Late

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:37 pm

Outlaw Human Cloning Before Too Late
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The head of a Chinese company that mass manufactures cloned animals claims that he could do it with humans

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Human Cloning is to create life to serve our purposes, intended to have a predetermined genetic makeup using a manufacturing process, complete with quality control, such as CRISPR, the genetic engineering technique.

It is also to create human life as an experiment, to be manipulated and discarded as methods are perfected for various utilitarian uses, whether research, organ farming, or made-to-order babies.

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While I don't share the author's religious outlook, I still do not think massive cloning of human beings would be a good thing.

But what gets me is his simple faith that outlawing it would stop it. Aren't conservatives supposed to know better?
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Re: Outlaw Human Cloning Before Too Late

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:35 pm

Meh. The article is a mixed bag. The article opinion piece conflates design with cloning with a few other things.

I'll all for intelligent design of humans. When I watched Gattaca, I was rooting more for the government.

Cloning: sure, go ahead, but once the kid is born it is a human just like all the others. It isn't property. Now, maybe you can mix design with cloning and make something that can't be considered a legal person. It is a waste of time to debate that without knowing the specifics.

Unlike Abdul, I think laws against such experimentation and tampering would go pretty far in stemming the majority of research.

But ... if I had billions, I might consider commissioning a clone. I'm sure I can make a future use that liver. I think the trick is not to make friends with it. Avoid giving it a name..

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Re: Outlaw Human Cloning Before Too Late

Postby DrMatt » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:27 am

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Re: Outlaw Human Cloning Before Too Late

Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:23 am

Think about the irony: At the very time some complain that there are too many people suffocating the planet and causing climate change, when countless children who have no parents are desperate for a home, we also seriously entertain new and increasingly novel methods of procreating or replicating–for the very rich and privileged, at least.

If we don’t want that to happen, we have to stop research into human cloning techniques and focus our energies into ethical biotechnological research.

Or, we can float on the waves and allow “the scientists” to decide. Because that is certainly our current course.


Seems very hard to distinguish between "human cloning techniques" and other kinds of "biotechnological research" with potential ethical applications. Also, once we are able to successfully clone animals, really there is no reason I can see why the same technology would not also work just as well for humans.

Of course there probably should be some laws regulating what is allowed, but I basically agree with Rob.
If some madman or crazy cult decides to create thousands of clones for ed-knows-what purpose, I think I would be opposed to that. OTOH, so-called "designer babies" don't necessarily seem like a bad thing to me. If humans can be improved (without making them all into cookie-cutter clones) such as in Gattaca, I think that has its upsides. The upsides may outweigh the downsides.
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Re: Outlaw Human Cloning Before Too Late

Postby hammegk » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:41 pm

Rob Lister wrote:Meh. The article is a mixed bag. The article opinion piece conflates design with cloning with a few other things.

I'll all for intelligent design of humans. When I watched Gattaca, I was rooting more for the government.

Cloning: sure, go ahead, but once the kid is born it is a human just like all the others. It isn't property. Now, maybe you can mix design with cloning and make something that can't be considered a legal person. It is a waste of time to debate that without knowing the specifics.

Unlike Abdul, I think laws against such experimentation and tampering would go pretty far in stemming the majority of research.

But ... if I had billions, I might consider commissioning a clone. I'm sure I can make a future use that liver. I think the trick is not to make friends with it. Avoid giving it a name..


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Re: Outlaw Human Cloning Before Too Late

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