Euthanasia for Alcoholics?

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Re: Euthanasia for Alcoholics?

Post by Nyarlathotep » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:00 pm

I am of two minds about voluntary euthanasia. Part of me thinks anyone should be allowed to end it anytime they want, for any reason they want. It is literally the most personal decision imaginable.

On the other hand, as someone who struggles with depression to varying degrees, I can guarantee that if such a thing were available (provided it were painless and relatively guaranteed to work), I would not be here to type this as there have been point in my life where literally the only thing keeping me from trying to off myself was the question of "what if I fuck it up and end up just crippling or maiming myself and leaving myself in pain?". Whether that's a good or bad thing probably depends on who you are and what kind of day I am having.

So yeah, mixed feelings on the subject.
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Re: Euthanasia for Alcoholics?

Post by Witness » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:57 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:I am of two minds about voluntary euthanasia. Part of me thinks anyone should be allowed to end it anytime they want, for any reason they want. It is literally the most personal decision imaginable.
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So yeah, mixed feelings on the subject.
Same here, with the difference that I'm never depressed (just a tad too easily bored or annoyed by people :wink: ).

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Re: Euthanasia for Alcoholics?

Post by gnome » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:47 pm

Rob Lister wrote:So a man of non-sound mind may not elect euthanasia regardless of his pain? What if the pain causes the non-sound mind?
I would not say it that way. I would say that if you are not of sound mind, it is not ethical for others to facilitate, and that if they are in a position of responsibility for your well being, ethically they must try to stop you.

Are there writings from medical ethics experts on this conundrum? Because I do get your point. Not that I would take their word, but I would expect to have more food for thought to help me evaluate.
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Re: Euthanasia for Alcoholics?

Post by Doctor X » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:31 pm

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Re: Euthanasia for Alcoholics?

Post by sparks » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:45 pm

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Rob Lister wrote:So a man of non-sound mind may not elect euthanasia regardless of his pain? What if the pain causes the non-sound mind?
I would not say it that way. I would say that if you are not of sound mind, it is not ethical for others to facilitate, and that if they are in a position of responsibility for your well being, ethically they must try to stop you.

Are there writings from medical ethics experts on this conundrum? Because I do get your point. Not that I would take their word, but I would expect to have more food for thought to help me evaluate.
And Listy is just shit-posting again. Chill.

But to further convolute the conversation: Non-sound mind has pain. Agreed and we must do what we can for that. But no euthanasia should be allowed in that case. What if the pain causes the non-sound mind? Do what you can, and do no harm. But double down on no euthanasia. Cause of un-sound mind is irrelevant.
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Re: Euthanasia for Alcoholics?

Post by Doctor X » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:00 am

I would be more in favor of euthanasia in a "non-sound mind" such as a Permanent Vegetative State or even a Minimally Conscious State where the person has no hope of recovery. Withdrawing feeding, water, sunlight [Stop that!--Ed.] will result in death, but why not hasten it, particularly if it is known that the person would not want to exist in such a state?

Such patients cannot, by definition, effect their own death.

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Re: Euthanasia for Alcoholics?

Post by sparks » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:45 pm

Agreed. Persons of sound mind should take steps to insure their wishes are carried out in the event they end up in a position of unsound mind. But if they've not done so, then we're in a grey area that will require more thought and consideration than I'm up to right now. :-)
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