Dr. Brown asking for help for the Duggars..I oblige.

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Dr. Brown asking for help for the Duggars..I oblige.

Post by the_ignored » Mon May 25, 2015 2:40 am

Him asking...

Me obliging.
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Kind of.
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
>Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
>Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
>illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
>the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
>and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
>still disappear if I was you.

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Post by sparks » Mon May 25, 2015 4:28 pm

Duggar, like all two faced fuckwad Xtians, deserves some jail time. I 'pray' he gets it.
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Post by Doctor X » Mon May 25, 2015 4:49 pm

Because nothing says "stand for Christ" and "Christianity" than "molestation."

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Post by sparks » Mon May 25, 2015 4:51 pm

Unrelated yet similar: "Nothin' says lovin' like a virgin being ghost raped by Sky Daddy."
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Post by the_ignored » Tue May 26, 2015 12:41 am

What's really fucked up? Look at the various xian defenses of this shit!

PZ Myers has a look at some from Ray Comfort and Eric Hovind, and he has NONE of it!
These guys have a major blindspot. In all their Christian whining, none of them expressed any compassion for the girls who were harmed, or recognized the importance of mutual consent, so they’re outraged that consenting adults might want to make a lifelong commitment to one another, and are just fine with children being violated, as long as the perpetrator apologizes.
Whatever else anyone here may think of the man, I think he has the right of this one.
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
>Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
>Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
>illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
>the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
>and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
>still disappear if I was you.

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Post by Pyrrho » Tue May 26, 2015 1:17 am

I agree with PZ on this one.

I also think Ray Comfort et al. are using this sick episode to draw attention to themselves. Fortunately they have already demonstrated what they are.
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Standing by my friend Josh Duggar, as a brother in Christ. This was in his BC days. Such were some of us.
See, part of the problem is that they are espousing the Christian doctrine of forgiveness, and do not appear to understand that it is not their place to forgive. None of those blowhards were among the victims. They can forgive if they choose to. God maybe could also, but God was obviously not in evidence when the victims got molested. It is, as Mark Twain might say, "a monstrous sarcasm" for idiots such as Comfort to be "standing by his friend in Christ," when that supposed deity did nothing to prevent the evil in the first place. Of course they can just blame The Devil as some have already done, as noted in the OP. Conveniently sets the stage for exoneration of the perpetrator.

Forgiveness doesn't make it all go away, either. Incestuous molestation is the curse that keeps on cursing.

It is common behavior to sweep molestation under the rug. This gaggle of goofballs is no different. The perp will walk clean and free. The victims, not so much.
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Post by the_ignored » Tue May 26, 2015 3:08 am

I don't take any of that shit either.

Lousy fuckwits, those people.
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
>Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
>Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
>illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
>the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
>and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
>still disappear if I was you.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Tue May 26, 2015 3:24 am

Look at Hovid:
The truth is, it is you who is applying a double standard. If evolution is true, then there is no absolute right and wrong. If evolution is true Josh should not have admitted his faults over a decade ago because what one evolved bag of molecules does to another bag of molecules just doesn’t really matter. If evolution is true there is no ultimate Judge on the bench who will hold every man, woman, and child responsible for their actions. And if evolution is true you will not give an account for every idle word you speak.

The truth is, we all use Christian Morality to judge people. The very idea of judgment comes from Christianity.
So you cannot have a moral compass without believing in a mythical, magical sky daddy.

I think I've said this before, but atheism and a rational worldview doesn't mean an amoral worldview without moral judgments, it simply means using one's own conscience, judgement and available evidence to form moral opinions, instead of imagining that some bronze age dude received special knowledge and wisdom directly from the creator of the universe, which is simply too risible to believe given all the evidence to the contrary.
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Post by Doctor X » Tue May 26, 2015 3:52 am

A Cunt like Hovind has no moral compass.

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Post by Pyrrho » Tue May 26, 2015 10:42 am

Another thing to consider: the victims are now under pressure, intentional and otherwise, from family, politicians, preachers, and Internet Christians to remain silent. To be otherwise would be to betray Brother Josh to the wiles of Satan.

..and on the other hand, they are under pressure from a voyeuristic "news" media and audience to identify themselves or to be identified.

For the victims it is lose-lose-lose any way you look at it. Thus the common dilemma of the molested. There is a social stigma attached to it.

For the Duggars it is more publicity and eventually they will find a way to milk it. Josh has done all the prescribed rote behaviors to obtain benediction from the elders of the faith. He can play the I AM REDEEMED card. He is already being portrayed as a victim of the evil what-have-you. It is an old script.

Abuse occurs.

Family keeps it a secret.

Abuser suffers no meaningful consequences.

The abused must STFU and stay STFU. Often they are threatened.

Family declares one way or another that the problem has been resolved. Much like paying the sewer bill.

Abuser goes on his merry way, in a position of control in the family system. Why is he in a position of control? Because the family wants to keep the secret. To do that it is necessary to protect the abuser. Can't have the police involved, can we?

And the beat goes on.
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Post by corplinx » Tue May 26, 2015 3:13 pm

Things like one kid fondling another kid usually stay family secrets for good reason.

They sent the boy off to some 5 month deal to get him away from the other kids.

Minor-on-Minor sex abuse is not rare. It is usually dealt with at the family level.

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Post by specious_reasons » Wed May 27, 2015 2:13 am

corplinx wrote:Things like one kid fondling another kid usually stay family secrets for good reason.

They sent the boy off to some 5 month deal to get him away from the other kids.

Minor-on-Minor sex abuse is not rare. It is usually dealt with at the family level.
Ideally the abused get treatment as well as the abuser. Honestly, the only thing that bothers me is the family circled the wagons around the abuser without mentioning any help that went to the abused.
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Post by Anaxagoras » Wed May 27, 2015 5:30 am

specious_reasons wrote:Ideally the abused get treatment as well as the abuser. Honestly, the only thing that bothers me is the family circled the wagons around the abuser without mentioning any help that went to the abused.
In which case social services inevitably gets involved due to mandatory reporting laws.

Maybe that's a good thing, but if a family doesn't want that to happen, then even having any of the kids see a professional therapist is something they might want to avoid.
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Post by Doctor X » Wed May 27, 2015 8:51 pm

The entire family demands therapy.

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Post by the_ignored » Thu May 28, 2015 1:39 am

This commentator on Myer's blog has a lot of relevent links that deal with the "quiverfull" movement that the duggars were involved in, and just where they got their horrid teachings about how to handle sexual abuse.

Hell with it: More about this, including the lies about how responsible they were in dealing with this!

(the author of that blog by the way, was raised in the quiverfull movement herself.
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
>Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
>Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
>illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
>the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
>and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
>still disappear if I was you.

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Post by Pyrrho » Thu May 28, 2015 10:40 am

Doctor X wrote:The entire family demands therapy.

--J.D.
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Post by DrMatt » Thu May 28, 2015 11:04 am

And some members demand prison.
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Post by specious_reasons » Thu May 28, 2015 1:13 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
specious_reasons wrote:Ideally the abused get treatment as well as the abuser. Honestly, the only thing that bothers me is the family circled the wagons around the abuser without mentioning any help that went to the abused.
In which case social services inevitably gets involved due to mandatory reporting laws.

Maybe that's a good thing, but if a family doesn't want that to happen, then even having any of the kids see a professional therapist is something they might want to avoid.
I am indifferent to the wants of the abuser over the needs of the victims.

Although, I stand corrected, a statement from Josh Duggar's tatement:
"I confessed this to my parents who took several steps to help me address the situation. We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/21/us/josh-d ... legations/

Now that I know that the Duggars at least attempted to help the victims, I can go back to being indifferent about it.
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