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Ken Ham, Satan's MVP

Post by corplinx » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:15 am

http://www.christianpost.com/news/ken-h ... ch-141692/

Apparently, Christians are starting to blame his reality denial ministry for troubles reaching young people who can look at a slab of marble and see the fossils staring back at them.

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Re: Ken Ham, Satan's MVP

Post by the_ignored » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:51 am

They may have a point

Part of "doctor" Purdom's attack on Libby:
Either way, she was challenged, fought for a while, and gave up. It’s difficult to say why, but she does seem to have some misunderstandings about Genesis and the Bible despite her exposure to creation apologetics.
Part of Libby's response:
Second, I find the last part of this paragraph a bit insulting. Dr. Purdom doesn’t know me, and she wasn’t there when I was in college. The idea that I “fought for a while” and then “gave up” is ludicrous. I “fought” for months. And it wasn’t a college professor I was “fighting,” either. It was another student in my dorm, a student who found science and evolution fascinating and was himself fairly agnostic. I spent almost an entire year arguing with him about creation and evolution daily, and I continually went back to my sources, reread my books, and made sure I was using every young earth creationist argument in the book. I even took him to an Answers in Genesis conference. That’s not fighting “for a while.”

In the end, I didn’t “give up.” Rather, I realized I had been wrong. There’s a big difference there. And once I saw that creationism didn’t actually hold water, and that evolution was supported by the evidence, I had the intellectual honesty to change my mind. Why? Because that’s what you do when you realize you were wrong.

And that last sentence? After studying at Answers in Genesis’ knees for years, after attending their conferences and reading their literature, after searching the Bible and reading other creationist resources like the Institute for Creation Research and Henry Morris, I simply “misunderstood”? I simply had “exposure”? Dr. Purdom is wrong, very, very wrong.
In other words, Purdom....How do you know that Libby fought only a "while" and "gave up"? Where you there?

No. You weren't.
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Re: Ken Ham, Satan's MVP

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:39 pm

The Chabadniks are slicker about it. Not more convincing, just slicker.

God created Adam with a navel and a beard. That is, signs of earlier development. So too the Earth and indeed the Universe have signs of earlier development, etc.

Nothing to do with science of course. But then the Chabadniks aren't trying to "take on" science nor dictate goyische school curricula.
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Re: Ken Ham, Satan's MVP

Post by the_ignored » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:53 pm

A response to Ham going off his nut again:
Yet no one is suggesting that we get morality from the animal kingdom. Nye simply argued that homosexuality is natural because it is commonly seen throughout nature. Nye did nothing to argue the morality of homosexuality because, in reality, it is not a moral issue. The only moral issue is consent. Two people are engaging in a consenting relationship, and to argue that it is “unnatural” is dishonest when we have evidence stating otherwise.
So all Ham did again, like with his rant about Cyrus, is show what he'd be like without his god belief.
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
>Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
>Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
>illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
>the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
>and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
>still disappear if I was you.

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Re: Ken Ham, Satan's MVP

Post by Doctor X » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:09 am

He would be more of a Cunt?

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Re: Ken Ham, Satan's MVP

Post by Witness » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:12 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:The Chabadniks are slicker about it. Not more convincing, just slicker.

God created Adam with a navel and a beard. That is, signs of earlier development. So too the Earth and indeed the Universe have signs of earlier development, etc.

Nothing to do with science of course. But then the Chabadniks aren't trying to "take on" science nor dictate goyische school curricula.
A Victorian tried also:
Wikipedia wrote:Omphalos

In the months following Emily's death, Gosse worked with remarkable diligence on a book that he may have viewed as the most important of his career. Although a failure both financially and intellectually, it is the book by which he is best remembered. Gosse believed that he had discovered a theory that might neatly resolve the seeming contradiction in the age of the earth between the evidence of God's Word and the evidence of His creation as expounded by such contemporary geologists as Charles Lyell. In 1857, two years before the publication of Charles Darwin's, Origin of Species, Gosse published Omphalos: an Attempt to Untie the Geological Knot and thereby created what has been called the Omphalos hypothesis.

In what Stephen Jay Gould has called "glorious purple prose," Gosse argued that if one assumed creation ex nihilo, there would necessarily be traces of previous existence that had never actually occurred. "Omphalos" is Greek for "navel," and Gosse argued that the first man, Adam, did not require a navel because he was never born; nevertheless he must have had one, as do all complete human beings, just as God must have created trees with rings that they never grew. Thus, Gosse argued that the fossil record—even coprolites—might also be evidence of life that had never actually existed but which may have been instantly formed by God at the moment of creation
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Re: Ken Ham, Satan's MVP

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:02 pm

So at least one Christian got there too.

But that's not how they play it these days.
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Re: Ken Ham, Satan's MVP

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:05 pm

Back to the specifically Ken Ham versus other apologists question.

I seriously doubt that any "'mass exodus of youth" is caused by creationism.

I'm guessing it's more the call of freedom in general and the doctrine of Hell.
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Re: Ken Ham, Satan's MVP

Post by the_ignored » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:27 am

Here's a similar story to the Libby Anne one.
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
>Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
>Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
>illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
>the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
>and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
>still disappear if I was you.