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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:02 pm

Hasid who hanged herself was forced to marry her first cousin
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The Hasidic woman who committed suicide four months after her sister also killed herself suffered years of depression following her forced marriage to a first cousin, a family insider told The Post on Monday.

Sara Mayer, 31, of Borough Park, who hanged herself Sunday, had a nervous breakdown on the eve of her arranged wedding about five years ago — and had already endured years of physical and mental abuse by relatives, according to the source.

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The article doesn't say, but between it being Borough Park and the shape of those hats (pictures of funeral at link), I'd say they are Satmars.

That's the second most numerous Hasidic sect, the most numerous being Chabad (Lubavitch). Chabad are relatively speaking the LIBBERULz of the Hassidim.

Chabadniks like other Jews (as a matter of principle) while the Satmars do not.
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Post by gnome » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:20 pm

In Garrison Keillor's fictional Lake Wobegon, there was a sect of Lutheranism called the Brethren that broke free from the mainstream Lutherans for being insufficiently pious. They then further split amongst themselves over whether parishioners could still socialize with Lutherans. The original Brethren were OK with it, the new Brethren were not. So there are two opposing Brethren churches, who aren't speaking to each other.

This reminds me of that silliness, though the consequences are clearly real and more dire.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:45 pm

The late Satmarer Rebbe Joel Teitelbaum said that the late Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem Schneerson was an "Epicurus" (apostate in the direction of Gentile philosophy).

This was because Schneerson had studied electrical engineering at the Sorbonne before he married the daughter of the previous Rebbe.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:49 pm

Another Joel Teitelbaum anecdote, this one probably apocryphal.

Some Satmar Yeshiva students were having a disputation about which non-Jewish religion was closest to Judaism (by implication either Christianity or Islam). The story goes that when they asked Teitelbaum which non-Jewish religion was closest to Judaism, he said it was Chabad.

It was a Chabadnik who told me that story, so take it FWIW. 8)
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Post by Witness » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:06 am

Fuck them all, whatever the form of their hats/turbans/bandanas/wigs/hoods. :x

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Post by sparks » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:29 am

No shit Witness.

Just some of the fun family-time happy things that religion can do for a person...
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:30 am

We really should not care why they think the way they do.

That would be weak. . . .

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Post by sparks » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:12 am

I'm generally pretty good with that until people start getting hurt by the lunacy. Then it's increasingly difficult to ignore.

Of course, merely telling them they're thinking very very badly isn't the way to approach them. I'm sure their Good Book by Sky Daddy warns them of this.

Damned fools.


Wonder how Mom and Dad of the suicide-ended 1st cousin wifey are feeling right about now...


Makes me wish there really was a hell so they could rot in it, but that's just me being pissed off and disgusted with shit like this.
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:16 am

I have always found it particularly disgusting how readily people will force others to suffer the consequences of their superstitions and fairy tales.

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Post by sparks » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:33 am

As Carlin noted: "If you need a lift (religion) in your shoe, fine. But let's not wander the planet nailing lifts onto the natives feet."
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:51 am

Something I tried to explain to the Terrorist Apologist who may achieve the next Name: for too many, to allow disagreement allows the possibility one is wrong, and for too many, such a possibility proves too disturbing. Hence why we get the Howling Monkeys who try to shout down and ban whatever speech or opinion conflicts with theirs.

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Post by Rob Lister » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:59 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Hasid who hanged herself was forced to marry her first cousin
New York Post
The Hasidic woman who committed suicide four months after her sister also killed herself suffered years of depression following her forced marriage to a first cousin, a family insider told The Post on Monday.

Sara Mayer, 31, of Borough Park, who hanged herself Sunday, had a nervous breakdown on the eve of her arranged wedding about five years ago — and had already endured years of physical and mental abuse by relatives, according to the source.

...
The article doesn't say, but between it being Borough Park and the shape of those hats (pictures of funeral at link), I'd say they are Satmars.

That's the second most numerous Hasidic sect, the most numerous being Chabad (Lubavitch). Chabad are relatively speaking the LIBBERULz of the Hassidim.

Chabadniks like other Jews (as a matter of principle) while the Satmars do not.
Such a sad story. I delved a little deeper. Not sure about the accuracy of this link
http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/break ... rogrammer/
but according to it, her sister was Faigy Mayer, a programmer. Faigy was rather vocal about her repudiation of her family's religion.
Faigy appeared in a 2012 documentary titled Inside Hasidism in which she explains she eschewed Hasidism and because of that was thrown out of her home by her own parents.
She is the first interview.

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Post by ed » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:31 pm

Doctor X wrote:I have always found it particularly disgusting how readily people will force others to suffer the consequences of their superstitions and fairy tales.

--J.D.
Because, even if it is unwilling, the result is an affirmation of their own beliefs. It increases the size of the tribe and that provides security and sameness. It is really not difficult to understand, the problem is that, being at the lowest levels of central development you can't just "train it away". Its like sexual proclivities, you can "teach" a person to not act gay but it has nothing to do with the thoughts, whats inside. That is immutable, IMHO. Thats why, in spite of my vague generalized opposition to the death penalty, shooting pedophiles is probably the only cure. Then we have the "principle" that behavior beyond the pale is punishable by death". Hello Auschwitz etc.
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Post by ed » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:40 pm

Doctor X wrote:Something I tried to explain to the Terrorist Apologist who may achieve the next Name: for too many, to allow disagreement allows the possibility one is wrong, and for too many, such a possibility proves too disturbing. Hence why we get the Howling Monkeys who try to shout down and ban whatever speech or opinion conflicts with theirs.

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Did you mention the Spanish Inquisition? Religion is rife with examples, in fact any human endevor where the "truth" is mutable and the facts are stated by the strongest is exactly like that.
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:42 pm

I certainly did not expect the Spanish Inquisition. . . .

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Post by ed » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:03 pm

No one does.

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Post by hammegk » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:52 pm

Doctor X wrote:I certainly did not expect the Spanish Inquisition. . . .

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Post by Doctor X » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:15 pm

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Post by hammegk » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:23 pm

And a soft pillow too?

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