Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by DrMatt » Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:48 am

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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:57 am

DrMatt wrote:No. Not all truths are knowable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel%2 ... s_theorems


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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by Bruce » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:03 am

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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by Witness » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:16 am

sparks wrote:By definition, if it's a truth (even in quotes) then it is knowable.

Let's say it again: "Gödel showed that provability is a weaker notion than truth" (Hofstadter)

You can find this quote, and a very nice breakdown of Gödel's result in computing terms by Rudy Rucker, on this page:
https://www.miskatonic.org/godel.html

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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by sparks » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:25 pm

DrMatt wrote:No. Not all truths are knowable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel%2 ... s_theorems


Applies to arithmetic.
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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by Witness » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:05 pm

sparks wrote:
DrMatt wrote:No. Not all truths are knowable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel%2 ... s_theorems


Applies to arithmetic.

It's just the minimal case.

Do computer chips do much more than arithmetic?
Database coherence relies on it.
It's a part of mathematics.
Heck, all of science needs arithmetic…

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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by Rob Lister » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:18 pm

sparks wrote:
DrMatt wrote:No. Not all truths are knowable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel%2 ... s_theorems


Applies to arithmetic.


Would Heisenberg agree?

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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by sparks » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:49 pm

Half the time.
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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by Doctor X » Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:30 pm

Are you certain?

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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by sparks » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:20 pm

Give me exact position and velocity and I'll get back to you... :)
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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by Doctor X » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:27 pm

If I can determine them.

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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by sparks » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:32 pm

Indeed. They would seem to be, relatively speaking, mutually exclusive. But only to a high degree of precision. :)
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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Post by Doctor X » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:46 pm

Walking the planck?

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Re: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

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