Bicameral mind?

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Bicameral mind?

Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:49 pm

Is this "bicameral mind" thing any more true than Freud's id and ego and superego theory?

It's weird, I guess. I do feel like I have an id and an ego. To put it another way, there are things that I want to do that I should probably not do. That's the id and the ego. Or maybe the "bicameral mind". But I'm not religious, I'm a rationalist. Does this explain why the true believer believes?
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Re: Bicameral mind?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:26 pm

Julian Jaynes, right?

Struck me as BS when his book came out. Yes I read the whole thing.

The Freud stuff on the other hand, I believed and had to get over. It was part of my ancestral religion, you see.
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Re: Bicameral mind?

Postby Doctor X » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:22 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:To put it another way, there are things that I want to do that I should probably not do. That's the id and the ego.


Or it is your prefrontal cortex, damage/suppression of which leads to impairment to loss of judgment and other executive functions. Examples of such includes the ability to create and follow a plan, appreciate consequences, and, as you ask, control impulses. A good example of that is alcohol: "beer googles" and decreased judgment, more impulsive activity, et cetera.

However, you also can lose initiative.

Now, your frontal lobes are not a "separate brain." You do not "live" in one or the the other. The effects are very much dependent on relative "mass" or amount of frontal lobe tissue not working.

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Re: Bicameral mind?

Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:16 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Julian Jaynes, right?

Struck me as BS when his book came out. Yes I read the whole thing.

The Freud stuff on the other hand, I believed and had to get over. It was part of my ancestral religion, you see.


It may come from Jaynes, and I heard about it before, but it seems to be a concept in Westworld. The AIs are based on the theory. Or something.
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Re: Bicameral mind?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:53 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Julian Jaynes, right?

Struck me as BS when his book came out. Yes I read the whole thing.

The Freud stuff on the other hand, I believed and had to get over. It was part of my ancestral religion, you see.


It may come from Jaynes, and I heard about it before, but it seems to be a concept in Westworld. The AIs are based on the theory. Or something.


That was back in (I think) the 1970s. :oldman:
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