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So is he an atheist? Or does he just act like one?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:30 pm

No not the eating babies thing. :notsure:

Just asking questions. :mrgreen:

Is Pope Francis a "Atheist" according Pope John Paul II?
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Pope Francis and the papal inner circle appear to have redefined mortal sin and adultery in a way that is contrary to the 2,000 year infallibly doctrine of the Catholic Church.

They redefine adultery as a "irregular relationship" and say mortal sin is not mortal sin because of the ultimacy of conscience.

This redefinition of Catholic conscience tells the murderer, rapist, sex abuser, the person in adultery or anyone in objective mortal sin that they are not in mortal sin if they are at "peace" with it, if the sinful behavior is "humanly impossible" to change, "if they can't change their sinful behavior" or don't know it is wrong.

Under these "conditions", they say those in objective mortal sin may receive Holy Communion without forming their conscience and changing their sinful behavior.

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Re: So is he an atheist? Or does he just act like one?

Post by ed » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:54 pm

Well, they solved the problem of all those troublesome priests.
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Re: So is he an atheist? Or does he just act like one?

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:31 am

The "infallibly doctrine" is risible on its face. I don't care if it's 2000 years old.

So obviously it would come back to bite them again, as it has in the past (e.g., Galileo).

What you have here is a doctrinal dispute among Catholics and I have no dog in that fight, except to note that the infallibly doctrine applies to the Pope, and not to some blogger who thinks he knows better than the Pope. So unfortunately for the blogger, his argument seems to be self-refuting. If he's right, that would mean that the current Pope is fallible, but the dogma says that the Pope cannot be wrong. So even if he is right, he's still wrong. It's a paradox.
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Re: So is he an atheist? Or does he just act like one?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:40 am

Anaxagoras wrote:The "infallibly doctrine" is risible on its face. I don't care if it's 2000 years old. ...
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Though not a new idea at the time, 1870 is when it became official Roman Catholic doctrine such that you are a heretic for rejecting it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
This doctrine was defined dogmatically at the First Ecumenical Council of the Vatican of 1869–1870, but had been defended before that, existing already in medieval theology and being the majority opinion at the time of the Counter-Reformation. ...
Here's a little something I wrote over by Shermerland.
Abdul Alhazred wrote:The Pope is considered infallible only when he makes statements ex cathedra concerning faith or morals.

Those would become irrevocable Catholic doctrines on the order of the stuff derived from the Bible. No mere matters of policy, even long standing ones such as priestly celibacy, or the aforementioned rescinded meatless Friday.

Popes have used this "power" very sparingly, often in response to new conditions not obviously covered by existing doctrine.

Example: The prohibition on birth control pills. Non-obvious because unlike previous birth control methods, there is no spilling of seed.

Example: The assumption of Mary. A folk doctrine explicitly made an essential doctrine of the Church.

Example: Papal infallibility. Really.
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Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:10 am

All Catholic doctrine (as well as almost all other religious doctrine) rests on the ultimate appeal to authority, which is all you really need to know. God said X, and therefore X is unquestionably true.

Beyond that, it's academic, because it's all built on a faulty foundation from the beginning. For this reason, they are both wrong because they both start with the same faulty assumption.
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Re: So is he an atheist? Or does he just act like one?

Post by Doctor X » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:58 am

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Re: So is he an atheist? Or does he just act like one?

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:06 am

Does he wear a funny hat?
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Re: So is he an atheist? Or does he just act like one?

Post by Doctor X » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:25 am

Anaxagoras wrote:Does he wear a funny hat?
Of course:

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