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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Witness » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:04 am

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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:18 am

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I reckon you never had dealings with fundamentalists.

From a fundamentalist viewpoint that is exactly correct and no irony.

The point being that everyone sins, and this is not just something one assents to as a matter of faith.

The process of being "born again" entails "coming under conviction", which is to say being driven by an intense awareness of one's own sinfulness.

Merely refraining from the fun stuff doesn't cut it.
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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Witness » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:55 am

In fact my snarky post was a kind of comment about Anax's list of horrors.

I'm well aware of the fundamentalists' self-hate (let's call it that), it's a Medieval mindset and so there is a rich iconography. Yet I'm not so sure about your logic, "Jesus died for nothing" being literal and unironic – or only in the very bland sense that if humans weren't inveterate sinners dying to redeem that (one wonders how, of course) would just be pointless.

Yet this is true:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:I reckon you never had dealings with fundamentalists.
We don't have much of them around here – for now.

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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:55 am

Witness wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:I reckon you never had dealings with fundamentalists.
We don't have much of them around here – for now.

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I implicitly meant Christian ones. :MuhammadBoom:
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Re: Heathens' corner

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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby ed » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:14 pm

What happens when the rules change?

One of the most telling sniff tests to me re religion is the fact that things that were bad and would result in damnation are now acceptable. The point is that sin is completely defined by people and therefore mutable.

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Thou shalt not kill

That is the clearest thing in the bible. Four words strung together as a declarative.

right.

They who have waged war in obedience to the divine command, or in conformity with His laws, have represented in their persons the public justice or the wisdom of government, and in this capacity have put to death wicked men; such persons have by no means violated the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill.
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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby ed » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:17 pm

Good News Translation
You must keep the day of rest, because it is sacred. Whoever does not keep it, but works on that day, is to be put to death.


I chose this translation because it is the "Good News" translation.
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Re: Heathens' corner

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↑ Coherence isn't exactly their strong part… :twisted:




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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Anaxagoras » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:48 am

ed wrote:
Good News Translation
You must keep the day of rest, because it is sacred. Whoever does not keep it, but works on that day, is to be put to death.


I chose this translation because it is the "Good News" translation.


Indeed. There is a commandment to not kill, but also commandments to kill. (and only the most orthodox of Jews seem to care about that sabbath commandment anymore, and even they ignore the "put to death" part of it.)

Arguably, if you aren't putting people to death for the things the bible commands you to, aren't you defying God's commandment? :notsure:

To be sure, I'm happy that this isn't as common as it used to be, but it does show the malleability of what it means to be a "good" Christian or "good" Jew, or etc. Some Muslims apparently still take those parts of the Koran seriously. Eventually they will catch up.
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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Doctor X » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:37 am

Anaxagoras wrote:Indeed. There is a commandment to not kill, but also commandments to kill. (and only the most orthodox of Jews seem to care about that sabbath commandment anymore, and even they ignore the "put to death" part of it.)


There are older commandments to sacrifice your first born. Something to pull out いつ児童は詰まらないだよ。

Arguably, if you aren't putting people to death for the things the bible commands you to, aren't you defying God's commandment? :notsure:


YHWH condemns Saul for failing to kill every single human--man, woman, and child included--as part of his demanded mass-sacrifice or חרם.

To be sure, I'm happy that this isn't as common as it used to be, but it does show the malleability of what it means to be a "good" Christian or "good" Jew, or etc. Some Muslims apparently still take those parts of the Koran seriously. Eventually they will catch up.


I have had modern Christians argue with me that the ritual torture of an infant would be "good" if their god orders it.

Anything to save the myth, you see.

I excised a long meandering on the topic: "the Bible" does not represent one religion, one good, one culture, and certainly not one time. The individual texts result from the combination of a number of sources. Expecting them to agree is folly. Of course, for fundamentalists, this creates doubt.

The two idiots who at different times argued that the command to kill infants can be an objective "good" simply struggled to avoid such doubt. They could no longer argue "The Bible don't say THAT!!!" as I am sure you are aware.

This is why I "talk SPORTS!" because the same irrationality comes into play. Generally, I offend less by doing that. Despite a few extreme examples of "fanboys" Boston has not rounded up and executed MFY fans. St. Louis opened their stadium up to RS fans near the end of Game 4 of the 2004 WS. From your neck of the 森, there is odd documentary about Bobby "What?" Valentine by ESPN regarding his time in Japan. Ignore the Narcissistic Fat Head that is Valentine, the differences between Japanese and FREEDOM fans is hilarious.

Japanese fans are devoted. One of my favorite series I use to [Confirm his illiteracy.--Ed.] practice reading has a female character utterly devoted to Chiba Lotte Marines. She would be a "Stats-Head."

No.

When "Our Team" loses the equivalent of the ALCS, the announcers asks it devoted fans to congratulate the winning/rival team AND wish them the best of luck for the Japanese WS equivalent.

Could you imagine in Yankees stadium . . . "Let's all give a warm welcome to the Red Sox and hope they win the World Series?"

Perhaps that is the one difference between sports and religion: most sports fans, even "die hard" to "obnoxious," know it is a game. They also know that, yes, Their Team loses sometimes.

The religious?

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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:17 am

The Orthodox Jewish position on "religious" death penalties is that no Jewish court in modern times (post 587 BCE) has the proper authority, and that's how the Big Guy wants it.

For now. :)
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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:43 pm

Turns Out the “Boy Who Came Back From Heaven” Was in Ohio the Whole Time
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Synopsis: The boy (now grown up) is suing his dad (who wrote the book).
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Re: Heathens' corner

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↑ Re. devil, a nice picture from the Codex Gigas:

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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Anaxagoras » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:56 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Turns Out the “Boy Who Came Back From Heaven” Was in Ohio the Whole Time
Lowering the Bar (lawyer blog)

Synopsis: The boy (now grown up) is suing his dad (who wrote the book).


Too bad he came back.
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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Doctor X » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:40 am

Evidently he was despis'd and reject'd.

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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:12 pm

How To Judge People By What They Look Like
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Synopsis: Positive review of new book with exactly that title.

...

But, as Dutton says in his book, the relevant research has been published in top psychology journals, such as Intelligence, Personality and Individual Differences and Evolutionary Psychological Science, as has his own research. This includes a study asserting that atheists tend to be less physically attractive and more likely to be left-handed than religious people and that they have objectively worse skin.

Dutton, ever the evolutionist, opines that this is because we have been selected to be religious over thousands of years of evolution. Hence, those who are atheists reflect mutant genes in the brain and people with mental mutations are more likely to have physical ones. This explains their asymmetrical features and asymmetrical brains, leading to left-handedness.

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Emphasis added. :BigGrin3:
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Re: Heathens' corner

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:How To Judge People By What They Look Like
Unz Review

Synopsis: Positive review of new book with exactly that title.

...

But, as Dutton says in his book, the relevant research has been published in top psychology journals, such as Intelligence, Personality and Individual Differences and Evolutionary Psychological Science, as has his own research. This includes a study asserting that atheists tend to be less physically attractive and more likely to be left-handed than religious people and that they have objectively worse skin.

Dutton, ever the evolutionist, opines that this is because we have been selected to be religious over thousands of years of evolution. Hence, those who are atheists reflect mutant genes in the brain and people with mental mutations are more likely to have physical ones. This explains their asymmetrical features and asymmetrical brains, leading to left-handedness.

...


Emphasis added. :BigGrin3:


Intelligent people, he says, also have longer, less baby-like faces and longer noses.


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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:15 pm

Which pic is that, Bubbee? :wink:
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Re: Heathens' corner

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Re: Heathens' corner

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:46 pm

Follow up about "papal infallibility".

Here's a story where the concept really does officially come into play.

Using contraception is ‘sinful…Church cannot change its teaching’: US archbishop
Life Site News (Roman Catholic outfit)

OKLAHOMA CITY, Oklahoma, April 17, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – Catholic teaching prohibiting the use of contraception is unchangeable, Oklahoma City’s archbishop wrote in a recent article. Using contraception, such as the pill or the condom, to purposefully block the creation of a new life is “sinful,” he added.

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“The Church cannot change its teaching on the immorality of artificial contraception, however unpopular and admittedly difficult it can be to embrace and live,” Archbishop Coakley said.

“The Church does not create the moral law, but is only its guardian and interpreter,” The Oklahoma City archbishop said. “Ultimately, contraception is morally unacceptable because it is contrary to the true good of both the human person and marriage.”

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Papal infallibility not explicitly mentioned, but the prohibition of birth control pills is the result of such.
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