Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

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Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:50 pm

"Higher criticism" ex-Muslim style. 8)

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Witness » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:30 am

Nothing really surprising there. The ruler having non-canonical texts burned reminded me of the story of Li Si.

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:55 am

In general higher criticism is old hat, but I never saw a good exposition of it for the Koran before.
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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by The Joker » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:19 am

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Witness » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:34 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:55 am
In general higher criticism is old hat, but I never saw a good exposition of it for the Koran before.
I wasn't criticizing your post, which I found interesting, nor the "higher criticism", but just the all too human way this particular "word of gOD" came into being.

There is a short Wiki page about the Corpus Coranicum project in Germany. I gather the impression they try to ruffle no feathers.
Amusing excerpt:
Much of the Corpus Coranicum source material consists of photographs of ancient Quran manuscripts collected before World War II by Gotthelf Bergsträsser and Otto Pretzl. After the British RAF on 24 April 1944 bombarded the building where they were housed, Arabic studies scholar Anton Spitaler claimed the photograph collection had been destroyed. Towards the end of his life, however, he confessed to Neuwirth that he had hidden the photos for almost half a century, and Neuwirth assumed responsibility for the archive.
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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Skeeve » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:00 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:55 am
In general higher criticism is old hat, but I never saw a good exposition of it for the Koran before.
Well, perhaps one reason is....

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Skeeve » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:00 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:55 am
In general higher criticism is old hat, but I never saw a good exposition of it for the Koran before.
Well, perhaps one reason is....

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Carr » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:48 pm

There's no double postin' in the building!

Any man who double posts gets beheaded a night in the box!
Any man who don't keep order spends a night in the box!

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:51 pm

A little more Muslim anti-apologetics from the same guy.

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Witness » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:44 am

↑ So Islam comes with a "thanks" button for Mohamed. Self-serving, dude. :mrgreen:

Re. "higher criticism", an article (4 pages):
Salafism or philology

The scholar's touch

The Islamic scholar Angelika Neuwirth has had a greater impact on Koranic research in Germany than anyone else in recent decades. What she has to say is revolutionary – not only for Muslims, but also for Europe. Salafists, in particular, could learn a great deal from her. By Navid Kermani
https://en.qantara.de/content/salafism- ... lars-touch

They seem to want to believe she has an influence "over there", which I doubt somehow, but the read is interesting.


Re. "lower criticism", Salvini, Italy's interior minister, spells it out:



(I noticed with pleasure that I understand him – he's from Milan – way better than the Venetians; so my Italian isn't that bad after all. :) )

He also wants to tackle the Gypsies, the immigrants and the Mafia. Well…

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:17 am

But he's OK with Waldensians? :o

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Witness » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:39 am

↑ Nice find! :)

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Witness » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:25 am

Slightly off-topic, but not worth a new thread:
Obama Effortlessly Leads Prayers During Mosque Visit

"It's almost as if he's visited a mosque every day of his life."

Baltimore, MD – On a brisk February day, President Barack Obama walks into a Baltimore area mosque, swiftly removes his shoes and heads for the ablution stations in a suspiciously routine fashion. This is Obama’s first visit to an American mosque during his presidency, and is part of the administration’s push to promote religious tolerance.

Imam Abdul Ali of the Baltimore Islamic Community watched the President as he shuffled right past the mosque reception committee, and straight to the men’s restroom.

“As soon as he entered the mosque, he lowered his gaze, mumbled salam and headed for the restroom,” said Ali as he recalled his first encounter with the President earlier today. “I could hear him fill up a green plastic vessel with water and shut the bathroom stall door… you know, to wash his… presidential… butt.”

“It’s like he’s done this every day of his life.”

Prior to prayer, Muslims are required to ‘purify’ themselves through a series of steps that involve rinsing parts of their bodies.

After the evening Athan (call to prayer), Obama assumed the role of leading the congregation.

Thirty-four-year-old mosque attendee Tariq Ahmed stood bewildered as he observed Obama easily go through motions of the prayer with an impressive recitation of Quranic passages.

“Before he started, he looked back and instructed us to straighten our lines,” said Ahmed. “He said ‘Shoulder to shoulder, pray every salat as if it’s your last. You never know when one of my drones can be off by 1-2 degrees.’”
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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:06 pm

That reminds me ...

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:39 pm

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Witness » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:23 am

From three years ago:
What does the discovery of the world’s oldest Quran tell us?

For the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims, the idea that the Quran is a seventh century text disseminated by Islam’s founder, the Prophet Muhammad, is neither news, nor particularly controversial.

But in academia the history of this holy text is much more opaque. For researchers in Islamic studies, historical evidence dating the Quran back to Islam’s foundational era has proved elusive. This has led to hotly contested academic debates about the early or late canonisation of the Quran, with a small handful of scholars claiming that the book is a product of a much later (mid-eighth century and after) age of compilation or even confabulation, when ‘Abbasid-era scholars rationalised and expanded the Muslim religious corpus.
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Two Quran fragments unknowingly held since 1936 in the University of Birmingham’s manuscript collection have been definitively dated to the era of Muhammad’s life or a little later.

The writing of the two folios (with text corresponding to chapters 18-20 in the modern Quran) has been placed somewhere between 568 and 645 CE, which is very close to the conventional dating offered for the Prophet’s ministry, 610-632 CE. Given the more than 95% accuracy of the carbon-dating involved, carried out at the Oxford University Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, this discovery indicates that these fragments are in all probability contemporary with the Prophet himself.
https://qz.com/india/461980/what-does-t ... n-tell-us/

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Re: Who (Really) Wrote The Quran?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:42 pm

Another by the same author. 8)

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