Fukushima one year on

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by sparks » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:55 am

Rob says: "We'll always be primates sparks. Is it your opinion that all things nuclear should therefore be strictly off limits to us?"

You already know the answer to that: And it is --No.

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From another thread, you wholehearted(?) agree with all things pertaining to defacto global warming position.

Are you willing to stack your fellow primates like cordwood? Or are you willing to be so stacked?"

Not sure what the even fucking means Rob.

"Or maybe you see a more pleasant, thus far excluded middle."

No question about it. You are soooooo much fucking smarter than me. Please talk down to me some more so that I can fucking get it, OK?
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:46 pm

TOKYO (AP) — A man in his 40s who worked at the Fukushima nuclear plant after the 2011 disaster is the first person confirmed to have developed cancer from radiation exposure, Japan confirmed Tuesday.

The Health and Labor Ministry said the man, who wasn't identified further, has received government approval for compensation for the radiation-induced illness.

It said he helped install covers on damaged reactors at the plant from October 2012 to December 2013. He did not work at Fukushima in the weeks after the massive earthquake and tsunami destroyed the plant in March 2011, when radiation levels were the highest. The plant has since been stabilized, except for occasional leaks of contaminated water.

The man had worked at several other nuclear plants before Fukushima, the ministry said. Medical experts could not determine whether his exposure at Fukushima was the direct cause of his leukemia, a ministry official said on condition of anonymity, citing sensitivity of the issue. But his total exposure of 19.8 millisievert was mostly from his work at Fukushima, the official said

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Rob Lister » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:39 pm

Maybe it was the cause. 19.8 (call it 20 mSV) is pretty insubstantial. 50mSV is the annual limit for radiation workers. But even 1microsievert can do the trick. More likely is that he injested some through the lungs or mouth and got for more of a does than his badge indicated.

for scale, see the arrow pointing to the does he received.

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:40 pm

"Medical experts could not determine whether his exposure at Fukushima was the direct cause of his leukemia"

But of course, at the same time they will tell you nobody has come down with leukemia, ever, from a nuclear power plant. Or fallout. Or anything related to nuclear weapons tests, or leaking reactors.

It's a strange world. Because they can't actually know that.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Rob Lister » Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:09 pm

robinson wrote:"Medical experts could not determine whether his exposure at Fukushima was the direct cause of his leukemia"

But of course, at the same time they will tell you nobody has come down with leukemia, ever, from a nuclear power plant. Or fallout. Or anything related to nuclear weapons tests, or leaking reactors.
It's a strange world. Because they can't actually know that.
What is the name of that fallacy, robinson?

Come on. That's an easy one.

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:20 am

Rob Lister wrote:
robinson wrote:"Medical experts could not determine whether his exposure at Fukushima was the direct cause of his leukemia"

But of course, at the same time they will tell you nobody has come down with leukemia, ever, from a nuclear power plant. Or fallout. Or anything related to nuclear weapons tests, or leaking reactors.
It's a strange world. Because they can't actually know that.
What is the name of that fallacy, robinson?

Come on. That's an easy one.
And who says that no-one was ever harmed by fallout?

I agree we can't really know for any individual cancer what exactly caused it. That's probably true even if a smoker gets lung cancer: that is, we cannot say with absolute certainty that he wouldn't have got lung cancer if he hadn't smoked, because some non-smokers get lung cancer too. But, what we can do is look at large numbers of people and ask whether we can see a statistically significant difference in the rate of leukemia or whatever between people who we know were exposed to this radiation and the general population.

When we look at smokers vs. non-smokers, we can see a statistically significant difference in the rates of lung cancer and other diseases. I am not aware of any similar evidence for nuclear power plant workers.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Witness » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:08 am

PNAS wrote:Arrival of the Fukushima radioactivity plume in North American continental waters

The large discharge of radioactivity into the northwest Pacific Ocean from the 2011 Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear reactor accident has generated considerable concern about the spread of this material across the ocean to North America. We report here the first systematic study to our knowledge of the transport of the Fukushima marine radioactivity signal to the eastern North Pacific.
Long article: http://www.pnas.org/content/112/5/1310.full

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Rob Lister » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:35 am

Thanks for that Witness. Not that long. I read it three times without much increase in clarity. It is hard. The study lacks the usually-requisite conclusion so one is left to garner their own.

I conclude it is a non-event; there is no/zero/nada risk increase. It is indistinguishable from background. I may be wrong. I await Robinson's expert conclusion.

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:28 am

I think this is the bottom line:
This predicted exposure level is many orders of magnitude less than the baseline safe level of 420 µGy/h, below which harmful effects are not expected at either the aquatic ecosystem or the population level (27). Fisher and colleagues (28) calculated the effective radiologic dose to humans from the consumption of Bluefin tuna having levels of about 6 Bq/kg of 137Cs resulting form contamination from Fukushima. They noted that the dose to humans was only about 7% and 0.2% of the dose from the natural radionuclides 40K and 210Po in the fish, which is comparable to the dose commonly received from naturally occurring radionuclides in many other food items, and only a small fraction of doses from other background sources. These results indicate that future projected levels of 137Cs in seawater in the Northeast Pacific Ocean are well below levels posing a threat to human health or the environment.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by sparks » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:59 pm

Deeply cheered that someone has concluded that there's no health hazard regarding Fukushima.





And yet we still do not know where all the core materials are.

How charming.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Rob Lister » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:20 pm

Sounds like a personal problem you don't really have.

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by sparks » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:22 pm

Patience Rob. Patience.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Rob Lister » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:42 pm

okay.

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:38 pm

The Russians assured us that none of the people who worked on Chernobyl after the disaster ever got cancer from it.

Why be skeptical?
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Re: Fukushima one year on

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:14 pm

robinson wrote:The Russians assured us that none of the people who worked on Chernobyl after the disaster ever got cancer from it.

Why be skeptical?
IIRC they died from acute radiation sickness.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:32 pm

Exactly. The tons of radioactive material that blew into the atmosphere never hurt a single person.






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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Pyrrho » Thu May 12, 2016 12:06 am

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu May 12, 2016 3:07 am

I don't see anything. :(
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Witness » Thu May 12, 2016 3:11 am

Anaxagoras wrote:I don't see anything. :(
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