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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby sparks » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:16 pm

Good point.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:32 pm

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sparks wrote:I'm trying to appreciate all that, but in the end, it sounds like really expensive mass transit that only takes 2 or 3 people at a time. But then again, I'm old and resistant to change and nice things.


Is it more or less expensive than the mass transit we have now that takes only 1 person to 1 location and fills up a parking space all day?

Not everyone will choose this but enough will to make a difference. My criticisms will wait.


Yeah, basically the idea is not mass transit like trains or busses but something of a compromise between the convenience of owning your own car, so you can go literally anywhere at any time, and mass transit where you can only go on prescribed routes from prescribed points of pickup to prescribed points of drop-off at prescribed times, which is obviously much less convenient. This would be much more convenient than that sort of mass transit, but still more efficient and less expensive than owning your own car.

Of course, there are some foreseeable problems too. Without a driver there, will passengers just leave their garbage on the floor? Vandalize it? Who will clean them if there is no driver? Will angry taxi drivers mad at being put out of a job sabotage it? These are potential new problems.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:00 pm

It's not a "compromise" if everybody has to give up their non-government-controlled private car.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:09 pm

I don't foresee them banning regular cars, and I don't advocate that either. Just more and more people choosing driverless cars as time goes by. Because it's cheaper and easier and safer. Old people set in their ways will be the last to adopt of course.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:12 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:I don't foresee them banning regular cars, and I don't advocate that either. Just more and more people choosing driverless cars as time goes by. Because it's cheaper and easier and safer. Old people set in their ways will be the last to adopt of course.


I would expect old people to be early adopters as their ability to drive degrades.

The technology is just fine as a prosthesis, but I don't think that where they are leading us.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:17 pm

Well, maybe middle-aged people set in their ways will be the last to adopt.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:21 pm

Something has to be keeping track of everybody's movements.

Just remember that Google is evil, and you'll understand.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Anaxagoras » Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:41 am

Rob Lister wrote:I think they will stage a few by 2021 but it is overly optimistic. I'm going to add 10 years for commonplace for taxis and 20 for consumers. The technology is probably there but the legislation isn't.


Looks like Federal regulations are on the way:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-of ... -automated

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/us-g ... -vehicles/

On Tuesday, the government will issue federal policy, comprising a four-section package to help facilitate the "responsible" testing and deployment of self-driving vehicles. The policy will include a 15-point "Safety Assessment," which the government has asked automakers to sign and submit when an autonomous car is believed to be ready for public roads. The policy covers topics like validation methods, privacy, post-crash behavior and crashworthiness.

It also helps set the foundation for consistent policies on the state level. It provides clear delineation between federal and state responsibilities without forcing the states to all create the same policy. The feds will cover safety standards, compliance, recalls and public education, with states focusing on testing permissions, law and regulation enforcement and licensing.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Rob Lister » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:37 pm

Read about that on slashdot.

Here's a fun graphic
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Google contends (and I agree) that the intersection of computer control with human monitoring is fatally flawed. Their reason being by the time a human can assess the failure of an automated system and then correct it, the need is over, the damage is done. It's a little like saying you'll put your seatbeat on if you think you're about to get in a accident.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby JEROME DA GNOME » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:47 pm

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Rob Lister » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:07 pm

it is a good point fag

It isn't windows but the point remains fag

People crash more than OS's but the point remains fag

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby JEROME DA GNOME » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:32 pm

Rob Lister wrote:People crash more than OS's


Evidences?
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby JEROME DA GNOME » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:35 pm

Breaks don't work because software error, 400,000 cars recalled for bad software which makes the brakes not work.

https://consumerist.com/2010/02/09/toyo ... ty-brakes/
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Rob Lister » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:57 pm

JEROME DA GNOME wrote:Breaks don't work because software error, 400,000 cars recalled for bad software which makes the brakes not work.

https://consumerist.com/2010/02/09/toyo ... ty-brakes/


How many people have ADHD?
Approximately 11% of children 4-17 years of age (6.4 million) have been diagnosed with ADHD as of 2011. The percentage of children with an ADHD diagnosis continues to increase, from 7.8% in 2003 to 9.5% in 2007 and to 11.0% in 2011.


46% of Teenagers Admit to Text Messaging While Driving : Driver's Ed ...
www.driversedguru.com/driving.../driver ... essaging...
According to AAA, 46% percent of all teenage drivers admit to text messaging while driving, and that says nothing of the teens who won't own up to the practice. 51% admit to talking on the cell phone while driving, though most of us who know teens would probably estimate that figure to be closer to 99%.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby JEROME DA GNOME » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:05 pm

Pretty sure ADHD causes less accidents then the brakes not working at 55mph because software error.

Run that out, the total numbers of hours ADHD drivers drive in a year, and the number of accidents per hour driven.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Rob Lister » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:21 pm

JEROME DA GNOME wrote:Pretty sure ADHD causes less accidents then the brakes not working at 55mph because software error.



Why are you sure?

DOT says 95% are caused by humans. Not bad brakes.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby JEROME DA GNOME » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:28 pm

Because the number is so high on the computer shutting off your brakes scenario as to make any subsection of the driving population's accident rate look down right safe.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:30 pm

In terms of the technology, Rob is 100% right versus our little buddy. Of course.

But the issue was never the technology.

When an OS crash crashes a self driving car (with a baby on board) -- it only has to happen once -- the headline will be ...

You know what it will be, Rob. :coolspecs:
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby JEROME DA GNOME » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:33 pm

Not saying it can't be done, but it sure as shit is not being done our our current technology set.

Maybe once we have computer programs writing computer programs. This is where the technology needs to be.


Could be a couple of bicycle mechanics strike on the idea, but that is what it will take.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Rob Lister » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:52 pm

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You know what it will be, Rob. :coolspecs:


I asked you to stop. I think I might have even said 'pretty please'. It adds nothing to the conversation to state that gravity sucks.


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