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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by JEROME DA GNOME » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:57 pm

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by ed » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:07 pm

That was a plot line in some cop show ... recently.
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Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:26 pm

Bring on the self-driving cars.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Rob Lister » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:34 pm

Con-fucking-cur


Then again, this [almost] exact accident just happened with a Tesla in the "assist" mode; a Tesla plowed into the back of a semi because it could not see through the raining mist.

To be fair, the Tesla is not intended to be used in the autonomous mode but the assist mode is so good that some owners do. Nevertheless, the assist mode used in an autonomous mode is still better, statistically, than humans.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:00 pm

Supposedly they made a fix to that problem. But radar while it can see through fog has other possible problems:

http://www.slate.com/articles/technolog ... pilot.html
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Post by JEROME DA GNOME » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:32 pm

Even though they haven't been at fault, self-driving test cars are involved in crashes at five times the rate of conventional cars, a new study finds.

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As a result, the total number of self-driving car accidents being used for comparison is the study is minuscule, 11. But that's five times the rate of the accident rate in conventional cars, and there's four times the injury rate, the study finds. The injuries, however, have all been minor.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by sparks » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:08 pm

Sample is way too small to be meaningful.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:29 pm

A lot of minor accidents, dents and dings, aren't reported.

But with Google cars, even the most minor ones are for data.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Pyrrho » Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:19 am

I'm so tired I almost ran over a pedestrian yesterday.
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Pyrrho wrote:I'm so tired I almost ran over a pedestrian yesterday.
You need to stop driving on the sidewalk.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:12 am

Yea, that was linked already, months ago. As it turns out, we'd all be hard pressed not to have the same accident. I'm pretty sure a human would not have the same fender-bender, but then-again, the human at the wheel did not anticipate the accident either. It was one of those weird circumstances wherein even a human might well have erred. It is hard to fault 'the google' here.

It is my opinion that google was not at fault here. It is a very, very technical question here. Google decided to shrug.

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Rob Lister wrote: the human at the wheel did not anticipate the accident either
Actually, the accident report they were required to fill out by the state under penalty of perjury, which you can get from Google themselves, says the human in the car did see the bus out of his side mirror.
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Post by JEROME DA GNOME » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:37 am

Its interesting that Google is not live streaming video from these cars. But then the public would really know what is going on.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:51 am

JEROME DA GNOME wrote:
Rob Lister wrote: the human at the wheel did not anticipate the accident either
Actually, the accident report they were required to fill out by the state under penalty of perjury, which you can get from Google themselves, says the human in the car did see the bus out of his side mirror.
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Post by Pyrrho » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:41 am

Show me some self-driving cars successfully negotiating city streets after a heavy snowfall before and even after the plows go through and I might be impressed.
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Rob Lister wrote: For the reading impaired.
lol

Yes, the human didn't anticipate the auto car would drive into the side of the bus he saw through the mirror.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by ed » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:18 pm

Wellll .. there is a solution for many of the cases.

Have the cars communicate with each other. In other words, turn it into a non-stationary backpacking problem. The stats are there. Probably pretty easy.

Then the cars will attain self awareness.

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Post by hammegk » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:25 am

Anaxagoras wrote:I don't foresee them banning regular cars, and I don't advocate that either. Just more and more people choosing driverless cars as time goes by. Because it's cheaper and easier and safer. Old people set in their ways will be the last to adopt of course.
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