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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:41 pm

gnome wrote:How would it manifest?
The car won't start if you say something sexist and THEY find out. :o
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:07 pm

US CONGRESS KILLED MY BABY!
http://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-s ... SKCN1BB2BV

Well not yet ...
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Mentat » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:06 pm

Exciting times ahead
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:45 pm

Self-driving bus crashes two hours after launch in Las Vegas
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... According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, the human driver of the other vehicle was at fault, there were no injuries, and the incident caused minor damage. ...
They will always say that.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:35 pm

When it is true.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by sparks » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:52 am

Wouldn't you, if you were from Listy's planet? :)
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:33 am

Not about the accident reports, but a piece about the challenges ahead:

https://www.marketplace.org/2018/01/30/ ... r-slowdown

Basically there are still a lot of difficult problems to overcome. We'll get there eventually, but it's not "just around the corner".
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Rob Lister » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:24 am

Anaxagoras wrote:Not about the accident reports, but a piece about the challenges ahead:

https://www.marketplace.org/2018/01/30/ ... r-slowdown

Basically there are still a lot of difficult problems to overcome. We'll get there eventually, but it's not "just around the corner".
The reporter starts out well giving good and valid reasons the technology is not yet ready for prime time but I think he's a little short-sighted and pessimistic. Agreed, it isn't yet ready and 2020 is way too soon. Yea, LIDAR is in its infancy but kids grow up fast.

He then starts to jump the shark with ...
Moving to autonomous vehicles could destroy the jobs of millions of truckers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, dispatchers, and all the support jobs that make up the entire transportation industry.
And free up that labor to do more creative things. This is akin to a broken window fallacy.
It could also upend the automotive industry, despite the brave faces of Toyota and Audi and Ford and the like.
He doesn't say how.
There’s the auto insurance industry — will Geico go under if there aren’t any more car accidents?
Maybe. Or maybe they'll just insure other things. But if they do, so fucking what. Buggy whip.

Then he gets really stupid ...
The proposed unintended consequences start to get a lot darker, too, like the idea that there might be a sudden drop in organ donations when all those car accidents go away.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:10 pm

... And free up that labor to do more creative things. ...
Retrain them all to be computer programmers, and then outsource to India anyway.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:54 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:Not about the accident reports, but a piece about the challenges ahead:

https://www.marketplace.org/2018/01/30/ ... r-slowdown

Basically there are still a lot of difficult problems to overcome. We'll get there eventually, but it's not "just around the corner".
The reporter starts out well giving good and valid reasons the technology is not yet ready for prime time but I think he's a little short-sighted and pessimistic. Agreed, it isn't yet ready and 2020 is way too soon. Yea, LIDAR is in its infancy but kids grow up fast.

He then starts to jump the shark with ...
Moving to autonomous vehicles could destroy the jobs of millions of truckers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, dispatchers, and all the support jobs that make up the entire transportation industry.
And free up that labor to do more creative things. This is akin to a broken window fallacy.
It could also upend the automotive industry, despite the brave faces of Toyota and Audi and Ford and the like.
He doesn't say how.
There’s the auto insurance industry — will Geico go under if there aren’t any more car accidents?
Maybe. Or maybe they'll just insure other things. But if they do, so fucking what. Buggy whip.

Then he gets really stupid ...
The proposed unintended consequences start to get a lot darker, too, like the idea that there might be a sudden drop in organ donations when all those car accidents go away.
:roll:
The reporter is a she, BTW. You'd do her. Yeah I didn't pay much attention to that last bit about the "unintended consequences". They are all actually net positives, as you correctly point out, that are being looked at as negatives. However, there will be losers and the losers will probably make a stink about it, and sometimes politicians will pander to the losers by throwing up roadblocks, so it's still something to keep in mind.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by gnome » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:29 pm

In the case of the trucking industry, I expect resistance to the point of civil unrest. We should already be planning how to get ahead of that problem and make the transition less painful. And I don't mean by getting better riot gear for police.
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Post by Rob Lister » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:02 pm

gnome wrote:In the case of the trucking industry, I expect resistance to the point of civil unrest. We should already be planning how to get ahead of that problem and make the transition less painful. And I don't mean by getting better riot gear for police.
They'll be okay.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ ... rs/551879/
It may actually create jobs for them.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by gnome » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:19 pm

That'd be great if it works out that way. Interesting article.

Wish we had RT here for this discussion.
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Post by Grammatron » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:10 pm

I'm curious how many people here have had an opportunity to be behind the wheel of a self-driving car.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:19 pm

Grammatron wrote:I'm curious how many people here have had an opportunity to be behind the wheel of a self-driving car.
Not me, have you?
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Grammatron » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:32 pm

I have "driven" such a car from San Diego to Los Angeles.

As a daily commuter in populated area it's significantly less stressful to drive on highways. With all the radars I barely had to pay any attention to the road as the car kept itself in the proper lane and stopped to avoid collisions. The issues prop up when the lanes are not clear and in residential areas. The car gets confused and can exhibit unsettling maneuvers where it would just jump into another lane or swerve to avoid some perceived but non-existing obstacle.

In short, as an added safety measure it's unparalleled, as an autonomous system it's nowhere near ready.

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Post by Rob Lister » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:47 pm

Grammatron wrote:The car gets confused and can exhibit unsettling maneuvers where it would just jump into another lane or swerve to avoid some perceived but non-existing obstacle.
So it drives like my wife but without collisions.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:58 pm

Grammatron wrote:I have "driven" such a car from San Diego to Los Angeles.

As a daily commuter in populated area it's significantly less stressful to drive on highways. With all the radars I barely had to pay any attention to the road as the car kept itself in the proper lane and stopped to avoid collisions. The issues prop up when the lanes are not clear and in residential areas. The car gets confused and can exhibit unsettling maneuvers where it would just jump into another lane or swerve to avoid some perceived but non-existing obstacle.

In short, as an added safety measure it's unparalleled, as an autonomous system it's nowhere near ready.
How does it compare with (for example) riding a bus?
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Post by Grammatron » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:04 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Grammatron wrote:I have "driven" such a car from San Diego to Los Angeles.

As a daily commuter in populated area it's significantly less stressful to drive on highways. With all the radars I barely had to pay any attention to the road as the car kept itself in the proper lane and stopped to avoid collisions. The issues prop up when the lanes are not clear and in residential areas. The car gets confused and can exhibit unsettling maneuvers where it would just jump into another lane or swerve to avoid some perceived but non-existing obstacle.

In short, as an added safety measure it's unparalleled, as an autonomous system it's nowhere near ready.
How does it compare with (for example) riding a bus?
I don't see how it compares at all.