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Post by specious_reasons » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:37 pm

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Here's how I understood it:

There is a temporary injuction that is keeping Nader off the ballot. The permanent injunction is scheduled to happen on Wednesday.
A hearing to decide if the injunction should be permanent is scheduled for Wednesday.

But you probably meant that.
Yes, that's what I meant, sorry. I hope it doesn't radically alter your understanding of what I wrote.
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Post by Grammatron » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:38 pm

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Grammatron wrote: Wha...?

Did you read the same article as I because it did not seem so? They have to mail the absentee ballets by Saturday yet the court day to argue it might happen because of the Hurricane.
Here's how I understood it:

There is a temporary injuction that is keeping Nader off the ballot. The permanent injunction is scheduled to happen on Wednesday.

The Republican Secretary of State has filed an appeal which automatically lifts the temporary injunction, as it so happens Ivan might cause the permanent injuction hearing to be postponed until after Saturday, which means Nader is put on absentee ballots. I would assume this means that there is an even stronger case to put Nader on the November ballot once he's on the absentee ballot.

If I'm wrong, I'll retract what I said, but it looks like it's the Republicans who are exploiting the timing of a natural disaster to me.
All I can say about Democrats is that they have balls of titanium to pull this and then blame Republicans for being partisan and do it all with a straight face.
Both sides do that too, what is new and exciting? Quite frankly, I'm glad that some Dems have actually gotten balls of titanium. Gore's campaign certainly didn't find any.
I'll agree that both sides are trying twist the issue to their advantage, however Democrats were the ones that started a process of getting Nader off the ballet which apperent is a-ok somehow.

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Post by specious_reasons » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:41 pm

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I'll agree that both sides are trying twist the issue to their advantage, however Democrats were the ones that started a process of getting Nader off the ballet which apperent is a-ok somehow.
They have every right to do so, don't they? They are trying to work the system to their advantage, just like the Republicans are trying. I'm not saying I'm happy about, but it seems to be way that the game is played, no?
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Post by Grammatron » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:45 pm

specious_reasons wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
I'll agree that both sides are trying twist the issue to their advantage, however Democrats were the ones that started a process of getting Nader off the ballet which apperent is a-ok somehow.
They have every right to do so, don't they? They are trying to work the system to their advantage, just like the Republicans are trying. I'm not saying I'm happy about, but it seems to be way that the game is played, no?
So then it'sa none-issue?

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Post by Luke T. » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:48 pm

Grammatron wrote:
specious_reasons wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
I'll agree that both sides are trying twist the issue to their advantage, however Democrats were the ones that started a process of getting Nader off the ballet which apperent is a-ok somehow.
They have every right to do so, don't they? They are trying to work the system to their advantage, just like the Republicans are trying. I'm not saying I'm happy about, but it seems to be way that the game is played, no?
So then it'sa none-issue?
Not for Nader!
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Post by Sundog » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:52 pm

Luke T. wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
specious_reasons wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
I'll agree that both sides are trying twist the issue to their advantage, however Democrats were the ones that started a process of getting Nader off the ballet which apperent is a-ok somehow.
They have every right to do so, don't they? They are trying to work the system to their advantage, just like the Republicans are trying. I'm not saying I'm happy about, but it seems to be way that the game is played, no?
So then it'sa none-issue?
Not for Nader!
So give me your opinions, my righty wingnut buddies. It's been shown that Republicans have been a MAJOR force, economic and otherwise, in getting Nader on the ballot in many states. Is this an acceptable tactic in your opinion?

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Post by Luke T. » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:53 pm

Sundog wrote:
Luke T. wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
specious_reasons wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
I'll agree that both sides are trying twist the issue to their advantage, however Democrats were the ones that started a process of getting Nader off the ballet which apperent is a-ok somehow.
They have every right to do so, don't they? They are trying to work the system to their advantage, just like the Republicans are trying. I'm not saying I'm happy about, but it seems to be way that the game is played, no?
So then it'sa none-issue?
Not for Nader!
So give me your opinions, my righty wingnut buddies. It's been shown that Republicans have been a MAJOR force, economic and otherwise, in getting Nader on the ballot in many states. Is this an acceptable tactic in your opinion?
Where has this been shown?
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Post by Grammatron » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:56 pm

Luke T. wrote: Where has this been shown?
I've seen it on the DailyShow about some state(Oregon?) somewhere that some group associated with Republicans was trying to get signatures so Nader could be on the ballot.

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Post by Silicon » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:01 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Luke T. wrote: Where has this been shown?
I've seen it on the DailyShow about some state(Oregon?) somewhere that some group associated with Republicans was trying to get signatures so Nader could be on the ballot.
The Daily Show is a biased source.


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Post by Luke T. » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:02 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Luke T. wrote: Where has this been shown?
I've seen it on the DailyShow about some state(Oregon?) somewhere that some group associated with Republicans was trying to get signatures so Nader could be on the ballot.
I don't think Nader made it on the Oregon ballot, even after two attempts.

Here is an MSNBC article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5818326/
WASHINGTON - Continuing his bitter battle with Democrats over access to state ballots, Ralph Nader won a victory Thursday as officials in Iowa ruled that his name would appear on that state's ballot for the Nov. 2 presidential election.
"Throughout the country the Democratic Party is taking unprecedented steps to prevent voters from having the choice of a serious anti-war candidate, anti-Patriot Act, pro-health care for all and pro-living wage candidate on the ballot," said Theresa Amato, Nader campaign manager. “We hope the Iowa decision sends a message to the orchestrated assault against our state nominating petitions."

Democrats have had success so far in one battleground state, Arizona, where they used a legal challenge to keep Nader off the ballot.
TheNaderFactor.com has launched a new TV ad airing in two battleground states, Wisconsin, where Nader won 3.6 percent in 2000, and New Mexico, where he won 3.5 percent.

Accepting GOP help
The ad assails Nader for accepting Republicans’ help and jokes that Bush might as well replace Dick Cheney with Nader as his running mate.

Kofinis, one of the leaders of last year’s Draft Wesley Clark movement, noted that Nader’s campaign has accepted contributions from Republican donors such as Richard Egan, the Massachusetts campaign finance chairman for Bush's re-election campaign, and that in states such as Michigan and Iowa, Republicans have signed Nader petitions to qualify him for the ballot and worked to get others to sign.
And a Washington Post article that says Republicans helped Nader get signatures to get on the Michigan ballot: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Jul18.html
The Michigan Republican Party submitted more than 40,000 signatures last week in a bid to get independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader on the state's November ballot.
Like I said in my first post in this topic. It cracks me up. The Dems are trying to keep Nader off the ballot, and the Republicans are trying to get him on. Nader is the ultimate pawn.
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Post by Sundog » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:02 pm

Silicon wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
Luke T. wrote: Where has this been shown?
I've seen it on the DailyShow about some state(Oregon?) somewhere that some group associated with Republicans was trying to get signatures so Nader could be on the ballot.
The Daily Show is a biased source.


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Hey, don't blame me if you guys can't keep up with the news. It's not in any doubt.

Edited to add: Luke beat me to it. Yes, Luke, a bigger pawn I'd be hard-put to find.

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Post by Luke T. » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:03 pm

I still don't think the election will be close enough that Nader will even be a factor. In any state.
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Post by Grammatron » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:08 pm

Silicon wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
Luke T. wrote: Where has this been shown?
I've seen it on the DailyShow about some state(Oregon?) somewhere that some group associated with Republicans was trying to get signatures so Nader could be on the ballot.
The Daily Show is a biased source.


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Yeah they are in the Comedy Lobby's pocket.

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Post by WildCat » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:33 pm

Keeping the opposition off the ballot is what Dems do once they gain power. there's nothing "democratic" about them. Here in Chicago, they made it so you'd need 50,000 (!) signatures to get on the mayoral ballot. Thus guaranteeing that only those selected by the Dem power brokers get on the ballot. Oh, and if you dare run against any of the machine-selected hacks, they'll challenge, in court, every single name on the nominating petitions and every missed dotted "i" and crossed "t". They hope to make you spend the entire campaign budget on legal fees.

This is the root of my disgust w/ the "Democrat" Party. There sure isn't any democracy here in the Democrat paradise of Chicago. :(

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Post by Luke T. » Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:47 pm

Follow up: Nader is going to be on the Florida ballot.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/ ... lls.nader/
The Florida Supreme Court, by a 6-to-1 vote, rejected legal challenges brought by the state's Democratic Party and seven voters, who argued that Nader should be kept from appearing on the ballot as the Reform Party's candidate because it is no longer a viable national party.

The Florida Democratic Party later announced that it would not continue to pursue the legal fight.
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