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PBS: Crashing the Parties 2004

Post by shanek » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:43 pm

PBS is airing a special called "Crashing the Parties 2004" sometime the 29th or 30th (check local listings). They'll be covering the candidates who have been excluded from the debates: Nader, Cobb, Badnarik, and Peroutka.

For me, this will be my first look at Peroutka, the Constitution Party candidate (not that I actually get to vote for him...). Should be interesting.
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Post by OckhamRules » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:49 pm

That -should- be interesting, but I won't be watching.

The other three would interest me, but...Nader? My dislike for him has developed into an unfortunate narrow-mindedness that precludes me from watching. I just can't stand to see yet another media whitewash of Nader. I will pass on this to a friend who wants to vote for someone other than a Rep/Dem, though.

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Post by Grammatron » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:58 pm

OckhamRules wrote:That -should- be interesting, but I won't be watching.

The other three would interest me, but...Nader? My dislike for him has developed into an unfortunate narrow-mindedness that precludes me from watching. I just can't stand to see yet another media whitewash of Nader. I will pass on this to a friend who wants to vote for someone other than a Rep/Dem, though.
Did you like him in 2000?

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Post by OckhamRules » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:54 pm

Grammatron wrote:
OckhamRules wrote:That -should- be interesting, but I won't be watching.

The other three would interest me, but...Nader? My dislike for him has developed into an unfortunate narrow-mindedness that precludes me from watching. I just can't stand to see yet another media whitewash of Nader. I will pass on this to a friend who wants to vote for someone other than a Rep/Dem, though.
Did you like him in 2000?
I respected him and thought he was an honest, idealistic man.

Now, "None of the Above".

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Post by Grammatron » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:59 pm

OckhamRules wrote: I respected him and thought he was an honest, idealistic man.

Now, "None of the Above".
I asked because in my view he did not change at all nor did his reasons for running. There for it's funny to me that people hate him for the same reasons they liked him just 4 years ago.

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Post by OckhamRules » Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:05 pm

Actually, I thought that's where you were going.

The difference is that his agenda seems far more obvious now--to "earn money" from Federal matching funds. Period.

Nader could have commanded attention from the press during the past four (disasterous) Bush years. He made no effort to vigorously speak out and generate opposition to Bush on the war...corporate misconduct...the environment--all things he claims to care so passionately about.

He's an egotist and a hypocrite. Worse, he's willing to sacrifice priinciple (i.e. making the world a better place by getting rid of Bush & Co's policies) in order to make some easy money by running for an office he doesn't even want and therein contributing to Bush's reelection.

That's my "take" on Ralph today. Cynical and disillusioned, perhaps, but I think many share it.

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Post by Luke T. » Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:25 pm

It appears the PBS show will be on the same time as the first Presidential debate. Interesting time slot choice.

I'll be taping it.
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Post by shanek » Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:12 am

Interesting...it's shown here the night before. It's up to the affiliate; who knows what they're thinking? Ours is actually televising the debate, too, so I don't know why a station would forego that to run this special.
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Post by Quester_X » Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:39 am

What party does Cobb belong to? Just curious, as my knowledge of American third parties is rather scant.
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Post by shanek » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:29 pm

Quester_X wrote:What party does Cobb belong to?
Green.
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Post by Quester_X » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:03 pm

I thought Nader was the Green candidate for president. Do they have two running?
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Post by Hexxenhammer » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:06 pm

No, Nader is someone else's candidate this year. Or maybe he's truly independent. I can't remember.
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Post by Grammatron » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:13 pm

Hexxenhammer wrote:No, Nader is someone else's candidate this year. Or maybe he's truly independent. I can't remember.
Reform Party

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Post by Quester_X » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:21 pm

Does anyone know how many parties the US has? I've heard Green, Libertarian, Reform, Constitutional...

any others?
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Post by Grammatron » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:22 pm

Quester_X wrote:Does anyone know how many parties the US has? I've heard Green, Libertarian, Reform, Constitutional...

any others?
Democrats, Republicans... :P

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Post by Grammatron » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:22 pm

Communist, Socialist

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Post by OckhamRules » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:57 pm

Quester_X wrote:Does anyone know how many parties the US has? I've heard Green, Libertarian, Reform, Constitutional...

any others?
http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm

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Post by Hexxenhammer » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:24 pm

Minnesota has Jesse Ventura's Reform Party breakaways the Independence Party. Almost voted for their candidate for Governor in 2002, but then Wellstone died and everyone jumped in their partisan trenches and the guy got screwed. He might have won otherwise.


And Nader is really running on the Reform ticket? They'll run anyone. It was Buchannan in 2000 wasn't it?
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Post by Luke T. » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:59 pm

Hexxenhammer wrote:Minnesota has Jesse Ventura's Reform Party breakaways the Independence Party. Almost voted for their candidate for Governor in 2002, but then Wellstone died and everyone jumped in their partisan trenches and the guy got screwed. He might have won otherwise.


And Nader is really running on the Reform ticket? They'll run anyone. It was Buchannan in 2000 wasn't it?
Perot '92.
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Post by Quester_X » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:45 pm

American Nazi Party
That's just wrong. :shock:
Grassroots Party : the tiny GRP advocates the legalization of marijuana, promotes hemp farming and the establishment of a national system of universal health care (among other things)
That's a great name, considering their cause!
Libertarian National Socialist Green Party - Politically correct Nazis?
What. The. Hell?
Gotta be a joke.

These are from OckhamRules's website, by the way. Thanks for the link, Ockham. :)
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