US bill aims to jail film pirates

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US bill aims to jail film pirates

Post by Grammatron » Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:52 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3699470.stm
Using video cameras to record films in cinemas would become a federal crime punishable by up to six years in prison under a proposed US bill.
It would also make it easier to prosecute internet users who illegally distribute music and copyrighted works.

The Piracy Deterrence and Education Act urges the FBI to warn people whose web accounts are used for illegal activity.

Passed on Tuesday by the US House of Representatives, the Senate is expected to consider the proposal next week.
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US law currently requires prosecutors to prove that an internet user "wilfully" distributed music and movie files illegally.

Some users previously said they were unaware that by downloading files from certain networks onto their computers, they were making those files available to others

Under the new bill, prosecutors would have to prove that internet users "knowingly" distributed copyrighted materials with a "reckless disregard" that others might also copy them.
That seems like a bad thing to me somehow. I view at as no different than taping something off of your TV. Now if you sell that tape/recording that's a whole different thing, but they are punishing people before the actual crime is commited, seems not right to me.[/quote]

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Post by Beleth » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:30 am

I view at as no different than taping something off of your TV.
And the movie creators and theater owners don't. Guess who wins?

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Post by Grammatron » Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:07 am

Beleth wrote:
I view at as no different than taping something off of your TV.
And the movie creators and theater owners don't. Guess who wins?
It ain't me. Now they'll be cops in every movie theater. Wooopy :roll:

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Post by Luke T. » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:19 pm

They are going to jail film pirates? But Johnny Depp is one of my favorite actors, dammit!
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Post by Quester_X » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:29 pm

They are going to jail film pirates? But Johnny Depp is one of my favorite actors, dammit!
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:36 pm

Film (and music) pirating has been going on since at least the 1930s.

What has changed is that the new technologies opened the field to amatuers.

It's a new problem, but not a new crime.
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Post by Silicon » Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:36 pm

I don't see the problem with the law.

Walking into a movie theater with a camcorder is no different than copying a copywritten book with your printing press, and we've had those laws for hundreds of years.

It's different technology involved, the technology is cheap and ubiquitous now, but it's not a new legal concept.


A videotape "for personal use" is not the same, if you make it in a movie theater. That strains credibility. It is NOT like time-shifting a television show. If you desire that "personal use" of the film, you can wait 6 months and then watch it all you want.

Buying a ticket to a movie theater is not a license to do anything you want to do in that theater and with the images you see there. It's a limited licence to WATCH with your eyes, not with your cameras. Just as a ticket to go see a live play on Broadway is not a license to videotape it for your home enjoyment later, nor is it a license for you to use your "free speech" rights and stand up and sing along.

Bottom line, you're on private property, buckos, and you abide by their rules.

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Post by Grammatron » Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:03 pm

Silicon wrote:I don't see the problem with the law.

Walking into a movie theater with a camcorder is no different than copying a copywritten book with your printing press, and we've had those laws for hundreds of years.
Really? I don't remember a cop standing by the copy machine at the library.
It's different technology involved, the technology is cheap and ubiquitous now, but it's not a new legal concept.


A videotape "for personal use" is not the same, if you make it in a movie theater. That strains credibility. It is NOT like time-shifting a television show. If you desire that "personal use" of the film, you can wait 6 months and then watch it all you want.
I can use the same argument for taping TV shows. Unless I would be selling the tapes I don't see how it's a problem.
Buying a ticket to a movie theater is not a license to do anything you want to do in that theater and with the images you see there. It's a limited licence to WATCH with your eyes, not with your cameras. Just as a ticket to go see a live play on Broadway is not a license to videotape it for your home enjoyment later, nor is it a license for you to use your "free speech" rights and stand up and sing along.
I don't remember that being written anywhere when I am entering the movie theater.
Bottom line, you're on private property, buckos, and you abide by their rules.
Fine, but we're talkimg about a FELONY here not being kicked out of the theater. The different is huge.