Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

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Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by corplinx » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:05 am

So, I don't understand this whole Bundy thing. I don't really wanna know about either. But I stumbled on a trove of right wing cartoons about it.

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Message: Obama is a tyrant. They fought the gubment, and the gubment lost. Putin > Obama at being a tyrant.

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Ramirez is a bit more reserved. Message: why the hell are we bothering to go after this anyway?

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Message: Harry Reid loves Osama?

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Message: Why is this even a priority? Obama cares more about a cow than about human lives in Egypt.


Overall the message is one of "we don't care about the rule of law because we hate Obama" as far as I can tell. It's equivocation, rationalization, etc. I'm pretty sure Obama doesn't give two shits about some ass-cows in Nevada. Does every issue flow back to Obama in the current GOP/right?

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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:36 am

At least this one is funny:

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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by sparks » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:12 am

Bottom line: This fucker is not above the law and needs to pay up or go directly to fuck me in the ass federal prison. Goddamn hayseed hick motherfucker.
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by Rob Lister » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:05 am

That's a bit much, Sparks. It is a civil dispute over grazing rent. Asset forfeiture of the cows is what I'm thinking. :)

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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by ed » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:51 am

A lien on property or other assets, Quiet and effective. The feds like muscle and cowing potential miscreants.
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by gnome » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:41 pm

If they really liked it the confrontation would have been the perfect excuse.
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by ed » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:58 pm

gnome wrote:If they really liked it the confrontation would have been the perfect excuse.
Ruby Ridge

I think that they rely on intimidation.
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:00 am

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStor ... s-23457303
A Nevada rancher who became a conservative folk hero for standing up to the government in a fight over grazing rights lost some of his staunch defenders Thursday after wondering aloud whether blacks might have had it better under slavery.

Republican politicians from around the country who have rallied to Cliven Bundy's defense in recent weeks denounced the comments and distanced themselves from the rancher, including potential 2016 presidential contender Sen. Rand Paul and Nevada Sen. Dean Heller. Democrats were quick to pounce on the comments and label Bundy a racist.

Bundy has gone from a little-known rancher and melon farmer in rural Nevada to a national political star since he resisted the federal government's attempts to round up his cattle from federal land because he hadn't paid grazing fees for two decades. His supporters, especially those on the right, have praised him for standing up to what they believe is a heavy-handed federal government, and several armed militia members traveled to his ranch to back Bundy.

His comments were first published in The New York Times on Wednesday, but he did little to tamp down the controversy as he sought to address the public outrage on Thursday.

Bundy was quoted in a Times story referring to black people as "the Negro" and recalling a time decades ago when he drove past homes in North Las Vegas and saw black people who "didn't have nothing to do." He said he wondered if they were "better off as slaves" than "under government subsidy."

On Thursday during an outdoor news conference near his ranch 80 miles from Las Vegas, he echoed the same sentiment: "Are they slaves to charities and government subsidized homes? And are they slaves when their daughters are having abortions and their sons are in the prisons? This thought goes back a long time."

A statement on the official Bundy Ranch Facebook page Thursday said that Bundy was a "good man, he loves all people, he is not a racist man." Bundy explained that he wasn't saying anyone should be enslaved today.

Politicians who had defended Bundy quickly issued statements condemning the remarks.
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:01 am

Well that settles it.

He's a racist, therefore he has no property rights.

QED. :p
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:24 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Well that settles it.

He's a racist, therefore he has no property rights.

QED. :p
Strawman. This is about federal land which he doesn't legally own to begin with.
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by gnome » Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:15 am

ed wrote:
gnome wrote:If they really liked it the confrontation would have been the perfect excuse.
Ruby Ridge

I think that they rely on intimidation.
Then why didn't they go for it this time?
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:41 am

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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:18 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Well that settles it.

He's a racist, therefore he has no property rights.

QED. :p
Strawman. This is about federal land which he doesn't legally own to begin with.
The cattle are his property, taken without due process.
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:19 am

Anaxagoras wrote:It's Time For Conservatives to Jump Off the Bundy Bandwagon

(By a conservative, BTW.)
STOP THE PRESSES!!!!1!!

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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:02 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Well that settles it.

He's a racist, therefore he has no property rights.

QED. :p
Strawman. This is about federal land which he doesn't legally own to begin with.
The cattle are his property, taken without due process.
They were enforcing a court order. That's "due process".
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by ed » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:45 am

gnome wrote:
ed wrote:
gnome wrote:If they really liked it the confrontation would have been the perfect excuse.
Ruby Ridge

I think that they rely on intimidation.
Then why didn't they go for it this time?
Ruby Ridge. Though Obama is oh so tone deaf, he is very sensitive to press treatment. There is no way the feds would have come out of a confrontation looking good.
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by ed » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:47 am

A more basic question is the extent of federal power. Why do they need to own 75% of a state? n.b. "Need" is always on the lips of gun rights deniers so I thought that I'd try it on for size, for yuks you understand :)
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:57 am

ed wrote:A more basic question is the extent of federal power. Why do they need to own 75% of a state?
Nuclear weapons testing and waste disposal, of course. Lincoln was a far-thinker.

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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:22 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
ed wrote:A more basic question is the extent of federal power. Why do they need to own 75% of a state?
Nuclear weapons testing and waste disposal, of course. Lincoln was a far-thinker.
Don't forget the endangered tortoises. Who will speak for the tortoises, ed? :cowbell:
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Re: Right Wingers and the Bundy Ranch

Post by hammegk » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:26 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Well that settles it.

He's a racist, therefore he has no property rights.

QED. :p
Strawman. This is about federal land which he doesn't legally own to begin with.
The cattle are his property, taken without due process.
They were enforcing a court order. That's "due process".
If you can prove a fed court can order rustling=theft.