Pardon my lack of clarity. Here's a summary of my position:Loon wrote:This may be the issue. I assumed you were making a standalone arguement. So I'd rephrase my question to why present the list, and then offer the correlary of Grammy's list, attempting to make the point that the list doesn't present an effective reason to either oppose or support the death penalty.V.2 wrote:I'm not exactly offering an argument, so yes that's the sum of it.
I oppose the death penalty in the US without exception, which I mostly consider irrelevant to this thread. That juveniles in the US can and do get sentenced to death is especially troubling. That said...
Even if we were all on the same page as to the meaning of social evolution, it's a dicey topic, and one has to be careful with dicey topics amongst skeptics. Who's to say what cataclysmic shakeouts lie in mankind's future? Meek-will-inherit is a nice sentiment, but we'll see.
So, even though I'm harmonious with the OP, I'm not prepared to stake out a position. I simply wanted to offer some (blatantly relevant) facts for public consideration that support the OP to a debatable extent that is minimally greater than zero.
And then I was baffled that others dismissed the data as completely irrelevant.
Grammy's question is perfectly valid, but off-topic.