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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby Pyrrho » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:03 pm

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... E_KENTUCKY

U.S. District Judge David Bunning has said he will not release Davis unless she agrees to obey his order. Davis' attorneys said the only way she would relent would be to change Kentucky's state law so that marriage licenses are not issued under the authority of the county clerk. They claim the licenses that were issued were not valid.

The state legislature will not meet again until January. Democratic Gov. Steve Beshear has refused to call a special session, arguing it would waste taxpayer money to bring the legislature back on an issue that so far only affects one elected official. That means Davis could potentially be in jail for months until the state legislature has a chance to change the law early next year.


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James Yates and William Smith were the first couple through the door, pushing through a thick scrum of cameras and microphones to pay $35.50 for a marriage license. They embraced through tears once the deputy clerk, Brian Mason, handed the form back to them and told them "congratulations." Yates, with Smith clutching his arm, dashed across the courtyard to hug his mother.

"Civil rights are civil rights and they are not subject to belief,"said Yates, who had been denied a license five times previously.


That's it in a nutshell. Whether or not the state will let you exercise those civil rights is another thing.
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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby Doctor X » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:44 pm

"And that's that."

At least she knows where she will be spending the Fall and parts of Winter. . . .

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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby Pyrrho » Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:35 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/ki ... riage.html

“We expect at the end of the day for the court’s orders to be complied with,” Judge Bunning told a crowded, quiet courtroom. “That’s how things work here in America.”

...

After the ruling, Ms. Davis’s husband, Joe Davis, was among those unhappy with the proceedings inside.

“Tell Judge Bunning,” Mr. Davis said, “he’s a butt.”


That is back-sassin'
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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby Doctor X » Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:40 pm

He might as well scream "Article 46!!!!"




What?

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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby sparks » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:02 pm

But Gawd informs her decision...to rot in prison.




Thanks Gawd!



But seriously, this is a prime example of what happens when people substitute belief for reason.
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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby Pyrrho » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:53 pm

http://freakoutnation.com/2015/09/westb ... -divorces/

Even though the Westboro Baptist Church is vehemently against same-sex marriage, the group is attacking Kentucky clerk Kim Davis over her four marriages, calling her an adulteress.


Fuck them, too.
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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby Pyrrho » Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:54 am

Her lawyers:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34155777

It's an organisation that has a long-track record of representing anti-gay rights case in America: the Liberty Counsel.

It has been labelled a hate group and one of twelve organisations embarking on an "anti-gay crusade" in the US, but it is a group that anti-gay rights activists are increasingly turning to to represent their views.

...

Liberty Counsel's Harry Mihet told the BBC his group was doing "everything that we can to restore her constitutional rights and win back her freedom in a manner that does not involve her compromising her beliefs and conscience".

But the SPLC takes issue with its approach, suggesting it is not doing everything in its legal capacity to help Ms Davis.

"What's extraordinary in Kentucky is, you know, here's the day when we're seeing a legal outfit telling its client to break the law. And it's absolutely the case that their client is defying the law. It's the law and that's that," Ms Beirich says.

The SPLC is not the Liberty Counsel's only critic to make this point. Mark Stern for Slate magazine questions whether the counsel is taking things too far, using Ms Davis's case as a means to "raise money and boost publicity for his group".

"More and more, it's beginning to look like the Liberty Counsel is taking Davis for a ride, using her doomed case to promote itself and its extremist principles."
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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby Doctor X » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:01 pm

She is the perfect sacrifice to them. She goes to jail and probably destroys her career, and they get on television, go to fundraisers, and as your link suggests, provide a "respectable" way for bigots to be bigots.

For which she has only herself to blame.

I find parallels to "Deflategate/Framegate": did her lawyers tell her she could do all of this? Lawyers do not like to call other lawyers idiots, but one question that has started to percolate from Legal Talking Heads who are not on ESPN is "who the fuck" was giving Goodell legal advice? Perhaps he was too arrogant to listen to them? My Man McCann tried to defend Nash, Pash, and others in an interview by suggesting that Goodell dropped a huge mess of a legal case in their lap and they did the best they could. However, even he had to admit Goodell is not a lawyer and listened to the Nashes, Pashes, and, BWA!HA!HA!HA!HA!, Welles over what he could do.

In her case, I doubt that is the problem: she blindly believing in the "Big Rock Candy Mountain" where her bigotry is protected by the Constitution "4 r34lz!" I suspect her legal team is telling her she can do this. I suspect they have joined the Maddening Crowd encouraging her. This is rather unethical, not just as an observation, but as a sanctionable thing.

Now she is truly fucked. She cannot back down without being nationally exposed as a hypocrite, a coward, a common bully-bigot. She has grabbed the tiger by the tale. Her best hope is that people move on--"Football!"--and sometime in late January the state removes her quietly. Unfortunately, tigers are not quiet. Her legal firm will take even that as an opportunity to drum up business, go on television, et cetera.

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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby corplinx » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:20 pm

In her mind, she's George Wallace. Of course, just the segregation part. Not the cradle-to-grave socialism of course.


The lawyers here are from that corpulent bigot's empire. Jerry Falwell started this legal group out of his Liberty Diploma Mill and Fried Chicken Shack. They take the case to fleece the evangelicals for money to support this brave retardo.

I was almost surprised it wasn't from the legal progeny of Pat Robertson. Jay Sekulow and his mafia-esque legal entity ACLJ which spends more time hiding his income than defending "religious liberty". Again, they take losing cases to further their cause and fleece the faithful into funding.

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Postby Doctor X » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:57 pm

Basically that. They will rake in $$$. They will appear on Faux News as part of "discussions" on how Obama is trying to institute Sharia and all of that. "Legal Expert" will appear under their names--just as it does Lester "Disbarred Back When Illinois Governors Could Stay Out of Club-Fed" Munson on ESPN.

Viewers looking for affirmation will see "oh! He's a Legal Expert! So what he is saying is law!"

Again, sorry for the Patriots Parallel . . . let me . . . have a . . . moment . . . almost there . . . damn! Thought of Rex Ryan again. . . . but said "Legal Expert" as well as a few others pompously proclaimed that it was illegal for Judge Berman to rule against the NFL. "Article 46" apparently trumps federal statues, case law, and even Canadian Law which is, of course, the highest law in the land.

Apparently, Judge Berman did not listen to them. Thanks Clinton!

Such stupidity is expected from Fan Boys, but not "Gentlemen skilled in this work." BIG PAPI HITS HIS 497!! "Sweet Mystery of Life! At last I FOUND YOU!"

Where was I?

It appears similarly ridiculous for a lawyer to argue that the Constitution, the First Amendment in particular, supports, legally, denying the rights of others based on faith.. "Your Uncle Earl" and other whack-jobs on internet commentaries? The True Claus of Skepticism? Sure.

Which leads me to suspect that said lawyers know they are full of shit and are not in it for the client but for the money. Perhaps they hope in a similar "Rock Candy Mountain" way of thinking, if they scream enough bigotry, it will move the law like it use to "back in the Good Ol' Days" when you could lynch a black man for being "uppidy" and "smear a queer."

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Those . . . "Good Ol' Days."

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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby sparks » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:45 pm

Looks like we've got one right here in Orygun:

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-north ... erfor.html

I used to enjoy being an Oregonian, but of late it's getting a smidge red 'round these parts.

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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby Doctor X » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:49 pm

Oregon is like Washington: very liberal to moon-bat-level stupidity surrounded by a sea of PsychoCon-level willful insanity and ignorance with incest and child molestation required.

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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby sparks » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:53 pm

Doctor X wrote:Oregon is like Washington: very liberal to moon-bat-level stupidity surrounded in a sea of PsychoCon with incest and child molestation required.


:lmao:

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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:11 am

Everything I know about Oregon I learned watching Portlandia.


Well, OK when I was in the Navy I did have a friend from Oregon. He complained a lot about the spotted owls IIRC.
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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby hammegk » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:52 pm

sparks wrote:But Gawd informs her decision...to rot in prison.




Thanks Gawd!



But seriously, this is a prime example of what happens when people substitute belief for reason.

Do you recommend the islamofascist holocaust include Christians too? Whatever. :De_Bunk: :tater: :De_Bunk:

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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby sparks » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:56 pm

No, but now that you mention it Tink, that's as good a place as any to start!
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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby hammegk » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:57 pm

sparks wrote:No, but now that you mention it Tink, that's as good a place as any to start!

Don't you have a dick to suck? :De_Bunk: :tater: :De_Bunk:

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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby sparks » Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:09 pm

Now Tink, remember what that witch doctor you love so much said about your blood pressure when you allow yourself to get upset!
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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby hammegk » Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:31 pm

sparks wrote:Now Tink, remember what that witch doctor you love so much said about your blood pressure when you allow yourself to get upset!

Why don't you kill yourself to release your star-stuff?

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Re: Gay marriage ruling needs its own thread

Postby Doctor X » Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:31 pm

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