The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:05 pm

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You can imagine how this rambling stuttering jumble got edited selectively. He had a rather pragmatic message that was well... true.
Meh. Not so true. Trade agreements follow money. But I get your gist.

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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:52 pm

This is weird to me ...

France, the Netherlands, Austria, Finland and Hungary could leave.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/683 ... ope-Brexit

I thought those were the eu. Actually I thought France was, pretty much, the mob that ran that mob. I'm so confustrated.

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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Grammatron » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:59 pm

It was UK, France, and Germany. The rest were there for the future.

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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Rob Lister » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:01 am

Grammatron wrote:It was UK, France, and Germany. The rest were there for the future.
But UK never completely committed to it. I may need a history lesson here.

I'd also like to say that I still don't understand the implications of this. And I really don't give much of a fuck. But for the ruckus it caused ...
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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by sparks » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:00 pm

Is this the first step in de-stabilizing Europe again in the same manner that led to WW1 and WW2 as all the 'monster-shouters' on Teh Newz have been saying?
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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by corplinx » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:58 am

I learned this weekend that everyone who disagrees with the losers is a racist. This means the UK is over 50% percent racists.

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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:37 am

Maybe a big realignment ahead?

Northern Ireland joining Ireland to stay in the EU?

I learned today that Northern Ireland has a nominally Roman Catholic majority these days.
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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by ed » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:39 am

Love this from the NYT
Among Young Britons, Fear and Despair Over Vote to Leave E.U.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/world ... ve-eu.html?

A bit of bias perhaps?
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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:41 am

Young Britons of the "right sort" of course old boy.
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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by ed » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:00 am

Whilst the ladies get the vapors.
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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Witness » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:14 am

It's fun: complete spectrum of reactions, from "Oh no! How could they do that?" to "Treason!" ("Never trust a people unable to behead their queen." [sic]) to "A great lesson in democracy!"

I hear also that Petition for Second Brexit Referendum Draws 2 Million Signatures.

Should I give a fuck?

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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Doctor X » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:22 am

corplinx wrote:I learned this weekend that everyone who disagrees with the losers is a racist. This means the UK is over 50% percent racists.
And hate Freedoms.

Henceforth, we will refer to it as "Fish 'n Freedoms!"

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:43 pm

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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by corplinx » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:20 pm

More fallout, these are trending up on reddit:

Quality Brexit Shitposting:
https://www.reddit.com/r/the_farage/

Celtic Union Supporters:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CelticUnion/

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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Witness » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:07 am

From Le Temps, Swiss paper trying to be some kind of "reference":

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Baby boomers crucify [sic] the future of young British

The overwhelming majority of young people voted for remaining in the EU. For them the referendum lead to a stinging "demographic defeat".
Those naughty old tottering baby boomers! :twisted:

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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Grammatron » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:21 am

The future generation is free to apply back into Europe. What's the problem?

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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:28 am

Rob Lister wrote:
Grammatron wrote:It was UK, France, and Germany. The rest were there for the future.
But UK never completely committed to it. I may need a history lesson here.

I'd also like to say that I still don't understand the implications of this. And I really don't give much of a fuck. But for the ruckus it caused ...
:cowbell:

Come on over GB. We'll make you Alabama.
The main thing the UK did to never completely commit to it was to keep their own currency.

I heard some talk that Brexit would lead to a wave of similar referenda in other EU countries, but it would be more complicated for a country that uses the euro as its money to leave than it was for Britain.

After the initial emotional reactions calm down, the UK may negotiate for something similar to Norway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2 ... _relations

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... gian-model

Switzerland is the other European country that has opted out of the EU, but also has full access to its markets:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerla ... _relations

Of course, both Norway and the Swiss have their own money, and don't use euros.

The main difference seems to be that if they want to have access to EU markets, they are forced to adopt many of the EU regulations anyway. And they also pay EU dues even though they don't get a vote.
From the perspective of the EU, the treaties largely contain the same content as the EEA treaties, making Switzerland a virtual member of the EEA. Most EU law applies universally throughout the EU, the EEA and Switzerland, providing most of the conditions of the free movement of people, goods, services and capital that apply to full member states. Switzerland pays into the EU budget and extended the bilateral treaties to the new EU member states, just like full members did, although each extension requires the approval of Swiss voters in a referendum.
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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Doctor X » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:02 am

Mad Uncle Jeremy has lost about half his "Shadow Cabinet" which makes an actual vote of No Confidence just that more likely.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump Boris Johnson is the odds-on-favorite to be the new PM in a few months. Perhaps it is the Year of Bad Hair?

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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Witness » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:14 am

Anaxagoras wrote:The main difference seems to be that if they want to have access to EU markets, they are forced to adopt many of the EU regulations anyway. And they also pay EU dues even though they don't get a vote.
From the perspective of the EU, the treaties largely contain the same content as the EEA treaties, making Switzerland a virtual member of the EEA. Most EU law applies universally throughout the EU, the EEA and Switzerland, providing most of the conditions of the free movement of people, goods, services and capital that apply to full member states. Switzerland pays into the EU budget and extended the bilateral treaties to the new EU member states, just like full members did, although each extension requires the approval of Swiss voters in a referendum.
That.

I'll add two points:
– the Erasmus Program seems to please EU & Swiss students who want to round up their knowledge (and possibly get a job) abroad;
– the Swiss franc, deemed a stable currency, attracts a lot of investors and has seen his value increase to practically parity with the Euro. (The central bank regularly tried to push it down, but seems to have given up lately.) Good for imports, bad for exports & tourism…

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Re: The Post Brexit Fallout Thread

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:22 am

Doctor X wrote:Mad Uncle Jeremy has lost about half his "Shadow Cabinet" which makes an actual vote of No Confidence just that more likely.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump Boris Johnson is the odds-on-favorite to be the new PM in a few months. Perhaps it is the Year of Bad Hair?

--J.D.
They do seem to have something similar going on in the hair department. :notsure:
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