The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

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Re: The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:29 am

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Re: The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:31 am

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Nyarlathotep wrote:Remember kids, any time there is a shooting the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING, by far, is to immediately pin down the political leanings of the shooter to learn if he is with the Other Party(tm) so you can either paint him as representative of all of them if he is, or immediately begin disowning him if he isn't.

Fuck the victims, this is the important part
I'm sorry but I feel no remorse here.

They wanted racial tension in the news for the GOP convention and the pot they stirred boiled over.

Fuck those cunts.

There are real people who are dying.
Yeah. Sure. Whatever
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Re: The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

Post by corplinx » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:33 am

Nyar, if you think I am personally wrong. Call me out personally. I'm a big boy. If I need to be bonked on the nose, do so.

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Re: The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:38 am

I said my piece. You claim you are totally in the right. I disagree. I do not know what else there is to say
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Re: The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

Post by corplinx » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:46 am

You know I'm not a huge fan of projecting what you want the killers' intentions to be on people.

However, we know the Dallas PD shooter's intent and the Baton Rouge shooter isn't hard to divine either.

I think there is a real problem with systemic violence in this country from Democrats/BLM/etc. We've seen it in California in San Jose, Dallas, Baton Rouge.

When do we stop being nice about it?

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Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:47 am

I will add this though. A friend of mine recently made an observation that when these shootings happen, we all laser focus on the perp and only give lip service at best to the victims. I agree with him. However, he said it in a 'golly gee whiz, that's really a shame' sort of way and left it at that.

I have been thinking about WHY that is, and I think I have an answer. VIctims are useless for demonizing anyone. Sure, they are useful for demonizing the killer, but what use is that to anyone? Nope, liberals need it to be a righty gun nut to demonize conservatives, conservatives need it to be a lefty radical to demonize liberals, black people need it to be white and white people need it to be black to confirm their own prejudices. THAT is the reason we laser focus on the killers political leanings so. 100% of the reason. Pure utility. No one gives a shit about the victims because they serve no purpose.
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Re: The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

Post by corplinx » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:55 am

At this point, I know more about the cops who died than the killers (aside from their reasons).

I'm not sure I agree with him.

One of the top posts on reddit atm is about the black cop who was shot in today's BLM violence.

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Re: The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:01 am

Yet the focus is on "How do the killers actions let me demonize my political enemies". The victims are, at best, a prop.

A bloody shirt to wave around to be able to say "SEE?!?!?!?! THOSE PEOPLE ARE EVIL AND MUST BE DESTROYED"
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Post by corplinx » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:11 am

When you have weekly violence now from this movement, is it wrong to focus on stopping it versus lionizing the victims?

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Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:13 am

As if stopping it is the goal. Stopping it would be counterproductive. No one wants to stop it.

The point isn't to stop it. The point is to be able to say "LOOK!! ALL DEMOCRATS ARE THIS WAY! SEE HOW EVIL DEMOCRATS ARE!!! VOTE FOR MY GUY!!!"

There is a difference. And you can't do that if it stops.

Also, two incidents is a trend? Seriously?
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Post by corplinx » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:32 am

We've had partisan violence for months.

In addition to Dallas and Baton Rouge we also have the Tennessee shooting.

Maybe it isn't such a big deal to people who don't live in integrated areas. But living in the Memphis metro area, you really want everyone to chill the fuck out.

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Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:56 am

As I said. No one is interested in stopping it.

No. One.
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Post by corplinx » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:01 am

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Floating around on Facebook. Maybe some people don't want it to stop.

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Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:07 am

Of course.

The perpetrators obviously don't want it to stop. If they didn't want it to happen, they wouldn't do it.

People on the other side don't want it to stop either. How are you going to use it to demonize all "Hillary Voters" (ala Wildcat's first response) or the left in general (ala several of your responses) if it stops?
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Re: The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

Post by corplinx » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:28 am

Are you saying that I personally would like it to continue just so that I can be morally superior to someone else on internet forums?

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Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:37 am

I don't know, but you are using it that way. By your own admission.

And it isn't just "feeling morally superior" it is more "attempting to paint this on the opposition with as broad a brush as possible in order to make the opposition look bad by association" the first is mere ego, the second is a tool. A very, very old tool at that. It has a purpose beyond personal warm fuzzies in the minds of the people using it
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Re: The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

Post by corplinx » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:56 am

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This train wreck interview.

I like the point where Don Lemon cites a study and then declares it not credible as well except where it backs his opinion.

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Re: The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

Post by Doctor X » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:20 am

Wow.

I actually almost feel sorry for Don Lemon.

Calling Sheriff Clark an "Uncle Tom" in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1

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Re: The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

Post by Doctor X » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:52 am

Too which I will add this is a complex issue. Just as there are "bad cops" who are even racist, there are bad and racist members of BLM. Cutting away those there are those who are angry and who perceive evidences--thanks--in a way that supports the anger they have.

So I would suggest people calm down.

This is the internet. It is not like it is serious.

Here . . . clearly we need more police:

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Re: The Vaguely Official Police Shooting Thread

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:00 am

Every shooting like this, the focus is on trying to figure out the killer's motives, so we get more discussion of them than we do of the victims. Not sure knowing ever helps to prevent future shootings.
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