The SJW war on us thread

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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby gnome » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:45 pm

That sounds like political behavior of all flavors.
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby ed » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:52 pm

gnome wrote:That sounds like political behavior of all flavors.



Does except that the SJW have the mike at the moment.
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby gnome » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:07 pm

Thinking about it, if I were trying to be an activist at this time, I would probably find the tendencies you describe quite frustrating.

Mainly I get defensive because sometimes people seem to want to respond by swapping out the ideology instead of the methods.
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby ed » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:11 pm

You ever see Reds? That reminds me of progressive politics.
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby RCC: Act II » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:25 pm

ed wrote:
gnome wrote:The fact of it is not. Conclusions drawn from it may be.



Biology has ramifications. They are often behavioral. not terribly controversial.


Conclusions drawn from them can range from obvious to controversial to laughably wrong. Women lack the upper body strength of men. To then conclude that no woman can be as strong as any man is on the laughably wrong side.

There are differences, but many of them are so tied up in cultural factors and broadly inaccurate conclusions that filtering through the bullshit can be difficult.

Thing is that to understand the SJW world you really need to have an understanding of the medieval church and the notion of revealed truth and doctrine and faith. and that straying gets one burned. There is really very little difference. Both entities knew "TRUTH" and that is all that counts. And since they know truth, they know what is best for you. How you should behave, how you should comport yourself, what you should believe.


Whenever you define any sort of belief system by it's extreme adherents, you can reach this conclusion. There is nothing else there. Extremism is extreme. Yawn.

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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby Giz » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:05 pm

ed wrote:
gnome wrote:The fact of it is not. Conclusions drawn from it may be.



Biology has ramifications. They are often behavioral. not terribly controversial.

Thing is that to understand the SJW world you really need to have an understanding of the medieval church and the notion of revealed truth and doctrine and faith. and that straying gets one burned. There is really very little difference. Both entities knew "TRUTH" and that is all that counts. And since they know truth, they know what is best for you. How you should behave, how you should comport yourself, what you should believe.


Right. Human nature does not evolve in the space of a mere thousand years. We are the same species that held inquisitions and flamed dissenters until they recanted.

We'd moved past that (in some parts of the world) but there's nothing to stop us sliding back if society starts to value ideological conformity and pandering to emotion over appeals to reason.

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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby Witness » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:09 am

In an Era of Online Outrage, Do Sensitivity Readers Result in Better Books, or Censorship?

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In today’s hair-trigger, hyperreactive social media landscape, where a tweet can set off a cascade of outrage and prompt calls for a book’s cancellation, children’s book authors and publishers are taking precautions to identify potential pitfalls in a novel’s premise or execution. Many are turning to sensitivity readers, who provide feedback on issues like race, religion, gender, sexuality, chronic illness and physical disabilities. The role that readers play in shaping children’s books has become a flash point in a fractious debate about diversity, cultural appropriation and representation, with some arguing that the reliance on sensitivity readers amounts to censorship.

Behind the scenes, these readers are having a profound impact on children’s literature, reshaping stories in big and small ways before they reach impressionable young audiences. Like fact checkers or copy editors, sensitivity readers can provide a quality-control backstop to avoid embarrassing mistakes, but they specialize in the more fraught and subjective realm of guarding against potentially offensive portrayals of minority groups, in everything from picture books to science fiction and fantasy novels.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/24/books/in-an-era-of-online-outrage-do-sensitivity-readers-result-in-better-books-or-censorship.html?_r=0

You can also watsh this vid about comics censorship (2014): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIYvZvgXfK0

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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:53 am

In so far as book publishers always did pick and choose among books and employ copy editors, it is absolutely not "censorship".

It is strictly between them and their customers. They are not the government nor some politically influential third party such as The Catholic League of Decency.

The real question about quality is not "better" but profitable. When it comes to children's books and above all "young adult" books, the big customers are schools and public libraries.

When it come to books bought by individuals for themselves, think of soft core whack books and shit like Harlequin Romances. The are not PC and also way outsell "good" books, but are very profitable.

There is of course a market for (what I would call) good books, but it's a niche. Mass market publishers, even prestigious ones that also do publish good books, do not rely on them for the bottom line.
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby Witness » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:54 am

↑ The law of the mob can enforce censorship without any "law".

Abdul Alhazred wrote:When it come to books bought by individuals for themselves, think of soft core whack books and shit like Harlequin Romances. The are not PC and also way outsell "good" books, but are very profitable.

Ah, Abdul, the hopeless humanist. Soft core? Harlequin? Even reading? Ha!:
In January of this year, 11 out of the top 35 books on Amazon were adult coloring books. Of those 11, 5 were published by indie authors. (Author Earnings, Feb 2016)
http://chadwickcannon.com/2016/08/10-stats-didnt-know-publishing-industry/

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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby Anaxagoras » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:18 am

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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby Doctor X » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:36 am

As I indicated elsewhere, Anax, the truth hurts.

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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:19 pm

Witness wrote:↑ The law of the mob can enforce censorship without any "law".


The formerly mainstream publishers of NYC are not the mob.

And all the old popular children's books are still in print because money talks.
The biggest competitors to today's children's book authors are all dead and still outselling them.

As for "young adult" fiction, who cares?
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby Grammatron » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:14 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Witness wrote:↑ The law of the mob can enforce censorship without any "law".


The formerly mainstream publishers of NYC are not the mob.

And all the old popular children's books are still in print because money talks.
The biggest competitors to today's children's book authors are all dead and still outselling them.

As for "young adult" fiction, who cares?


Would that not be more due to public domain and royalty rules?
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby ed » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:22 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Witness wrote:↑ The law of the mob can enforce censorship without any "law".


The formerly mainstream publishers of NYC are not the mob.

And all the old popular children's books are still in print because money talks.
The biggest competitors to today's children's book authors are all dead and still outselling them.

As for "young adult" fiction, who cares?


Would that not be more due to public domain and royalty rules?



Don't think so. I understand that the last copyrights on Conan Doyle's work expired recently.
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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:38 pm

Dr Seuss in still in copyright.

Not sure what the deal is about Winnie the Pooh. Milne's may have lapsed, but Disney is probably still stinking up the joint.
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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:41 pm

I'm not counting the Alice books, because these days those are mostly read by adults.
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Postby Grammatron » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:46 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Dr Seuss in still in copyright.

Not sure what the deal is about Winnie the Pooh. Milne's may have lapsed, but Disney is probably still stinking up the joint.


Dr Seuss and Winnie the Pooh both are supported by global marketing campaign. Both also have new content generated that supports the promotion of all content. Not good examples IMO.
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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:01 pm

Not good examples of what exactly?
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Postby Grammatron » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:15 am

Of dead guys outselling the living
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Re: The SJW war on us thread

Postby Doctor X » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:47 am

"Dead," he said.
"I most certainly am not!
"I live in my house which is not a plot.
"My body is spry, it's not riddled by rot!"

"Dead," he said.
"I most certainly am not!
"All that's dead is just this tot.
"Whose dismembered body I keep in a pot."

"Dead," he said.
"Alive she's most certainly not.
"Hidden in some crawlspace I forgot.
"With other annoying tykes I caught."


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