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Free Speech in Europe

Post by ed » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:22 pm

European Union Orders British Press NOT to Report when Terrorists are Muslims
by Yves Mamou
November 18, 2016 at 5:00 am


This is the moment where hate speech laws become a greater threat to democracy and freedom of speech than hate speech itself.

In France, Muslim terrorists are never Muslim terrorists, but "lunatics," "maniacs" and "youths".

To attack freedom of the press and freedom of speech is not anti-hate speech; it is submission.

By following these recommendations, the British government would place Muslim organizations in a kind of monopoly position: they would become the only source of information about themselves. It is the perfect totalitarian information order.

Created to guard against the kind of xenophobic and anti-Semitic propaganda that gave rise to the Holocaust, national hate speech laws have increasingly been invoked to criminalize speech that is merely deemed insulting to one's race, ethnicity, religion, or nationality.

It is disturbing to wonder how long the EU will strongly engage its experts and influence to cut through existing legal obstacles, in a quest to criminalize any type of criticism of Islam, and to submit to the values of jihad.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9190 ... terrorists

Troubling. The recommendation to the Brits

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establish an independent press regulator";
"rigorous training for journalists to ensure better compliance with ethical standards";
"review the provisions on incitement to hatred with a view to making them more effective and usable";
"establish a real dialogue with Muslims in order to combat Islamophobia. They should consult them on all policies which could affect Muslims";
amending the Editor's Code of Practice to ensure that members of groups can submit complaints as victims against biased or prejudicial reporting concerning their community"

The Brits seem to have grown a pair:
"The Government is committed to a free and open press and does not interfere with what the press does and does not publish, as long as the press abides by the law."
"abides by the law", aye, there's the rub.
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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:33 pm

The only problem with this (from an official EU point of view) is that the "British Press" does not have complete control of the dissemination of information.

If (for example) a blog on a server in Wisconsin with a Niue domain IDs the terrorists, can the EU extradite whoever from wherever?
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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by ed » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:36 pm

Probably not but they can censor the source. viz China.
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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:38 pm

Or will it be a wink wink nudge nudge situation, where (for example) the Daily Fail reports that terrorist suspect Muhammad Abdullah Rahmanzai -- a person of unknown religious affiliation -- was apprehended as he left the Finsbury Muslim Community Centre?
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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by ed » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:47 pm

They don't like the use of names.
The French press downplays attacks by deciding not to name Muslim perpetrators: incriminating a "Mohamed" could, in the minds of French journalists, incite retaliations against Muslims. In another example, Muslim gangs cannot be connected to any form of violence, so they become "youths." In France, Muslim terrorists are never Muslim terrorists, but "lunatics", "maniacs" and "youths."
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9190 ... terrorists
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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by Skeeve » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:02 pm

ed wrote:They don't like the use of names.
The French press downplays attacks by deciding not to name Muslim perpetrators: incriminating a "Mohamed" could, in the minds of French journalists, incite retaliations against Muslims. In another example, Muslim gangs cannot be connected to any form of violence, so they become "youths." In France, Muslim terrorists are never Muslim terrorists, but "lunatics", "maniacs" and "youths."
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9190 ... terrorists
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According the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) -- part of the Council of Europe -- the British press is to blame for increasing hate speech and racist violence.
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The proof of submission lies in ECRI's recommendations to the British government:

"establish an independent press regulator";
"rigorous training for journalists to ensure better compliance with ethical standards";
"review the provisions on incitement to hatred with a view to making them more effective and usable";
England voted to LEAVE the EU (Brexit)...this is the kind of shit that may have helped that vote...
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The British government did not fall into the trap, and firmly rebuffed ECRI's demands. It told the European council body:

"The Government is committed to a free and open press and does not interfere with what the press does and does not publish, as long as the press abides by the law."

In Great Britain, and in all countries of European Union, anti-hate laws already exist. Created to guard against the kind of xenophobic and anti-Semitic propaganda that gave rise to the Holocaust, national hate speech laws have increasingly been invoked to criminalize speech that is merely deemed insulting to one's race, ethnicity, religion, or nationality.

These laws have also been invoked often by Islamists to sue against anti-Islamist speech (cartoons of Muhammad, blasphemy against Islam, etc.) as manifestations of "racism" -- fortunately with little success. Most court cases that Islamists have initiated have failed because Islam is not a race.
Oh well....
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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by ed » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:05 pm

Yeah. The EU spitomizes the old saw about "faceless bureaucrats".
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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:09 pm

It just hit me.

Isn't the UK out of the EU anyway?
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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by ed » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:21 pm

yup. story is from a couple of months ago.

n.b. when I am outraged, there are no temporal limits :x
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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by Skeeve » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:09 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:It just hit me.

Isn't the UK out of the EU anyway?
ed wrote:yup. story is from a couple of months ago.

n.b. when I am outraged, there are no temporal limits
well hold on a second folks. Technically the UK is still IN the EU....for now at least.
Brexit: When will the UK actually leave the EU?
On 23 June, the UK voted to leave the European Union. Almost five months later, the country is still very much a part of the bloc.

Now a group of MPs say they will vote against triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, the formal process for leaving. So, why is Brexit taking so long – and will it ever happen?

When will Brexit happen?
The short answer is: nobody knows. Prime Minister Theresa May said she will put Article 50 into motion by the end of March 2017. Assuming she is able to do so - and she may not be - the actual process of withdrawal must be completed within two years, according to the terms of the treaty. However, some believe the process could take longer, with extensions negotiable, says the Daily Telegraph.
Or, to borrow from an old commercial: "Stop, stop, your both right!"

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What about Scotland?
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has repeatedly said she has a mandate to oppose Brexit because the referendum result north of the border was firmly in favour of remaining in the EU. Her government revealed this week it is trying to get involved in the Supreme Court case.

Sturgeon says the consent of the Scottish parliament and other devolved assemblies should also be sought before Article 50 is triggered, the BBC reports. Scotland's highest legal official, the Lord Advocate, has applied to be heard in the case next month.
Didn't they have a vote to leave the UK a year or two back?
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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by Witness » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:41 am

ed wrote:They don't like the use of names.
The French press downplays attacks by deciding not to name Muslim perpetrators: incriminating a "Mohamed" could, in the minds of French journalists, incite retaliations against Muslims. In another example, Muslim gangs cannot be connected to any form of violence, so they become "youths." In France, Muslim terrorists are never Muslim terrorists, but "lunatics", "maniacs" and "youths."
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9190 ... terrorists
I'd say this is factually false, e. g. here from the first Le Monde page (Nov. 18) which came up when I searched for "terroriste":
Le Monde wrote:Cent dix hommes (RAID, BRI, CRS) mobilisés pour neutraliser le terroriste le plus recherché de France, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, coordinateur des attentats du vendredi 13 novembre, réfugié au troisième étage d’un des immeubles, avec sa cousine Hasna Aït Boulahcen et son complice Chakib Akrouh. Tous trois sont morts durant l’assaut.
http://www.lemonde.fr/attaques-a-paris/ ... tes&xtcr=3

The Gatestone Institute you cite is, or so I gathered from the Net, a right-wing fiercely anti-Muslim stink tank. And Yves Mamou, the author, an ex-Le Monde economic journalist who specialized in… pharma and has written some crime novels.

So my feeling is that some corroborative evidence is needed. Thanks, ed. (Note that I'm absolutely not defending the French press, which keeps shamefully mum about the mess the police made near Paris, how they fucked up in Nice, &c.)


As for the post(?)-Brexit Limeys, I can only approve of them sending the EU PC-priests packing, but this doesn't mean they haven't their own quirks:
Snoopers' Charter to become law after Lords give up amendment fight
Government gets its way despite industry outcry

The Investigatory Powers Bill (IP Bill) is all but certain to become law after the House of Lords waved the controversial legislation through after dropping amendments they had hoped to include.

The Bill will therefore become law within weeks, legalising a number of secret service activities that were ruled unlawful only in October, and adding new powers, such as storing the browsing activity of everyone for a year.
(my emphasis)
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2477584/ ... ment-fight

So AC better damp down his perusal of goat porn… :mrgreen:


And the US? Well:
Ars Technica wrote:In two weeks, it will be easier for Uncle Sam to search your computer [Updated]
Under Rule 41, warrants allow searches of multiple devices—without naming the suspects.

Earlier this year, a new Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure was amended after three years of study by an unelected advisory committee. It was signed by the US Supreme Court and allows judges to sign warrants to allow the authorities to hack into computers outside a judge's jurisdiction. Rule 41 also grants judges the power to use one warrant to search multiple computers anywhere instead of requiring warrants for each computer. Absent the rule, federal judges may only authorize electronic searches within their own judicial district.
[…]
"For law enforcement to conduct a remote electronic search, they generally need to plant malware in — i.e. hack — a device," Wyden wrote recently on Medium about the new rule. "These rule changes will allow the government to search millions of computers with the warrant of a single judge. To me, that’s clearly a policy change that’s outside the scope of an 'administrative change,' and it is something that Congress should consider."

For now, no changes have been enacted, and the deadline is ticking before Rule 41 becomes law.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016 ... nce-state/


Free speech, yai! But you better watch your tongue (or keyboard).

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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by Bruce » Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:22 am

They're also watching you.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/snoopers-c ... comes-law/
Britain has passed the 'most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy'
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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by Skeeve » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:12 pm

Update in the UK: New porn laws will mean Pornhub asks for your name and address before browsing
Porn giant Mindgeek – owner of popular online fleshpots Pornhub, RedTube, YouPorn and Brazzers – will now collect names, mobile phone number, addresses and dates and place of birth before users log in. You’ll have to create a username and password to use Pornhub from April onwards. The AgeID system has caused alarm among privacy campaigners – who say it has the potential for Ashley Madison-style leaks.
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Re: Free Speech in Europe

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:04 pm

Pretend to be from the USA (with a proxy) and put your address as 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. :BigGrin3:
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