Venezuela Meltdown

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Witness » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:36 am

Venezuelan official suggests migrant crisis is staged to undermine government

Venezuela’s number two official has suggested his country’s escalating migration crisis – described by the United Nations as one of the worst in Latin American history – is being staged as part of a rightwing ruse to undermine his government.

Speaking at a congress of the ruling United Social party this week, Diosdado Cabello implied that images of Venezuelans fleeing through South America on foot had been manufactured.

“Doesn’t it strike you as suspicious there are photos of [these people] walking along the roadside in Peru, walking along the roadside in Ecuador, walking along the roadside in Colombia,” the president of Venezuela’s constituent assembly told delegates, according to the Caracas broadsheet El Nacional.

“It’s as if it was: ‘Lights, camera, action!’ It is a campaign against our country – a campaign of extraordinary dimensions,” Cabello added.
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But Javier Corrales, a Venezuela expert from Amherst College in the US, said he suspected Nicolás Maduro’s government in some ways welcomed an exodus that deprived Venezuela’s fractured opposition of desperately needed in-country support.

“To tell you the truth, I don’t think the government minds that people are leaving in droves because it’s an escape mechanism for discontent. It’s less welfare the state has to provide and less potential for unrest.”

Corrales said the exodus also enabled Maduro’s administration to co-opt new supporters by giving them the jobs of those who left. “The government has ways to profit from this tragedy … so they don’t really have an incentive to bring this to an end.”
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:38 am

People are fleeing in terror as part of a plot to make the government look bad.

Yeah that makes sense.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by shuize » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:53 am

Apparently the claim is that people really aren’t fleeing Venezuela and the photos are staged.

They might as well say inflation isn’t really approaching 1,000,000% while they’re at it.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Doctor X » Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:00 am

shuize wrote:
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They might as well say inflation isn’t really approaching 1,000,000% while they’re at it.
IS ONLY 999,999.99999999963%!11!!!11!

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:16 pm

Venezuela Vice-President: Migration levels are normal
The Venezuelan government says the levels of people leaving the country are "normal".

UN figures suggest that 2.3 million people have fled Venezuela's economic and political crisis since 2014.

Vice-President Delcy Rodríguez said the figures had been inflated by "enemy countries" trying to justify a military intervention.

She spoke as officials from 13 Latin American countries were meeting to find a way to deal with the mass influx.

Ms Rodríguez said the government had complained to the UN Secretary-General António Guterres about "individual officials" who she said had been portraying "a normal migratory flow as a humanitarian crisis to justify an intervention".
Tell that to the former professional women of Venezuela, now residing in concrete brothels....
Who (to feed their families) are making money (to paraphrase John Houseman) "the old fashioned way..."

In Venezuela, they were teachers and doctors. To buy food, they became prostitutes.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:13 am

shuize wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:37 pm
Not quite the same category as Venezuela, but speaking of Latin American currency issues:
The [Argentine] peso is down more than 45 percent against the greenback this year, exacerbating pre-existing fears over the country's weakening economy while inflation is running at 25.4 percent this year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/30/argenti ... -plea.html
The Turkish lira is also down by a similar amount.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/turke ... 2018-09-04
Turkish annual consumer-price inflation hit 17.9%, up from July's reading of 15.9%, as higher transport and energy costs were affected by a sharply weaker Turkish lira, the state statistics agency said Monday.

Minutes later, the central bank said the August reading posed a serious risk to price stability.

"We will take necessary actions," the central bank said in a statement. "Monetary stance will be adjusted," it added, bolstering expectations that it will increase rates when it meets on Sept. 13.
Although hiking interest rates is widely seen as the most common tool to combat inflation and support a national currency -- the lira has lost more than 40% this year -- it has also been the most elusive in Turkey.
Still, this is mild compared to Venezuela, which is approaching Zimbabwe-like inflation. In the end, Zimbabwe ended up abandoning its own currency and adopting foreign currencies as legal tender. Venezuela still officially has it's own currency, but it's doing things like Zimbabwe did before it finally gave up (like issuing new money with a few zeros chopped off). If the economy is to recover, that may be a necessary step. The people have lost faith in the bolivar, but they don't allow regular citizens to buy foreign currency (currency trading is a crime unless the government permits it, and so only a few special people with political connections are allowed to do it, and of course that means they can make wild profits as a result).
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:31 pm

Venezuela exodus: Neighbours should 'share the burden'
Latin American countries should "share the burden" posed by recent Venezuelan immigration, secretary of the Organization of American States (OAS) has said, referring to an exodus of Venezuelans fleeing deteriorating conditions back home.
What I find slightly ironic, this article appeared in (wait for it)....
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/09/ ... 57185.html

Anyway to continue...
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Delegates from Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Peru and the United States also called on Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro to accept food and medical supplies for his country's most vulnerable people and allow international aid groups to work in the country.

But Maduro has rejected offers made by groups to deliver aid, arguing that it as part of a plan to destabilise his socialist government.
Yes, a success, a flaming success....
Then Skank Of America could start in...

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by shuize » Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:04 pm

Skeeve wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:31 pm
Anyway to continue...
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Delegates from Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Peru and the United States also called on Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro to accept food and medical supplies for his country's most vulnerable people and allow international aid groups to work in the country.

But Maduro has rejected offers made by groups to deliver aid, arguing that it as part of a plan to destabilise his socialist government.
Yes, a success, a flaming success....
Wow. Even North Korean socialists are smart enough to accept food from the capitalist imperialists.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Grammatron » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:51 pm

"But Maduro has rejected offers made by groups to deliver aid, arguing that it as part of a plan to destabilise his socialist government."

He's not wrong.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Giz » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:40 pm

294k for all years since 2011 seems low for central America. ( Immigration from mexico to USA was 150k in 2016 alone. )

Source:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article ... ted-states

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Witness » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:52 pm

Giz wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:40 pm
294k for all years since 2011 seems low for central America. ( Immigration from mexico to USA was 150k in 2016 alone. )

Source:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article ... ted-states
Perhaps. But then Mexico isn't part of Central America.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by WildCat » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:52 pm

Giz wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:40 pm
294k for all years since 2011 seems low for central America. ( Immigration from mexico to USA was 150k in 2016 alone. )

Source:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article ... ted-states
Mexico is North America.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by WildCat » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:53 pm

Damn Witness beat me by seconds...
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Witness » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:58 pm

↑ Well, for you it was uphill… :P

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Giz » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:09 pm

Huh, live and learn.

Central America is damn small then, no?

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:34 pm

My guess is that Venezuelans being genuine refugees and not being immediately adjacent to Mexico, are not for the most part headed for the USA.

No doubt some will come here eventually, and welcome to them. Refugees from Communism make good Americans.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Witness » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:43 pm


Venezuelans find US asylum surprisingly elusive

One was a Venezuelan army officer who deserted and joined the opposition. The other, a political activist who says he had to flee after pro-government forces attacked his home. They ended up in the U.S., among thousands of their countrymen seeking asylum in what seemed like an obvious place to do so.

But both men have been turned away, learning a hard lesson about the limits of asylum in the U.S. even for people from a collapsing country whose government the Trump administration has condemned.
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Nearly 28,000 Venezuelan asylum petitions, some for more than one individual, were submitted in 2017 by people making "affirmative" claims that they assert upon or after their arrival in the U.S. It was 50 percent more than a year earlier and five times as many as in 2015. Thousands more have made "defensive" claims to stave off deportation after visas expired or after their initial petitions were rejected.

Asylum claims typically take up to four years, though the Trump administration has been accelerating the process as part of a broader policy of increased immigration enforcement.

Last year, at least 250 Venezuelans were deported, up 36 percent from a year earlier. At least 258 were deported in the first half of this year. Another 265 are detained like Tijera, awaiting deportation. Officials won't say how many had their asylum claims denied but lawyers and other experts say that it's the majority.

The Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, a data research organization at Syracuse University, found that nearly half the Venezuelan asylum applications that have come before immigration judges in the last five years have been denied. In comparison, nearly 90 percent of claims from Haiti and Mexico are denied while less than 20 percent of claims from Syria and about 10 percent from Belarus are denied.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi ... e-57465395

Dunno what the Truth Content© of this is.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by shuize » Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:47 am

As an anecdote of how wealthy Venezuela used to be, I recently heard that the Concord used to make regular flights to Caracas.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Giz » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:16 am

Think that whole area has been in relative decline for a while. There used to be a British saying “as rich as an argentine”. You wouldn’t here that now.

(At least, not until after Brexit goes through.)