Is Uber a fool's game

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Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:13 pm

It sure looks that way. Not even as good as pizza delivery.

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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby corplinx » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:18 pm

It's the Amazon Prime Now problem. Amazon was telling me that they can do same day delivery but there is no quality control. The local couriers who take the jobs don't have the discipline of UPS/FedEx/USPS.

Uber is Taxis with no quality control on the front end really. It's a good concept and has a place, but not when you need predictable nature of your local Taxi monopoly.

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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Grammatron » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:25 pm

corplinx wrote:It's the Amazon Prime Now problem. Amazon was telling me that they can do same day delivery but there is no quality control. The local couriers who take the jobs don't have the discipline of UPS/FedEx/USPS.

Uber is Taxis with no quality control on the front end really. It's a good concept and has a place, but not when you need predictable nature of your local Taxi monopoly.


I've never had an issue with Uber nor heard any second-hand complaints. I've had issues with Amazon Now and Fresh for precisely the reasons you've states. A postal carrier (I guess Amazon contracts them to deliver) told my friend how they hated Amazon Fresh because they had to spend all this extra time carrying the Amazon Fresh bags to his door (he lives in a condo building).
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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:42 pm

the bottom line, if I read the criticisms correctly, is that there really is no net profit in it. The service is great but to be a Uber driver means minimum wage after the expenses. Welfare queens make more. As they should. Being queens and all.

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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Anaxagoras » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:23 pm

I never tried it so wouldn't know, but when the barrier to entry is low and the skill is something that almost everyone has, it would seem that you are not going to make more than about minimum wage. If it did pay higher, wouldn't McDonalds workers and Walmart workers all just drive for Uber instead?

I suppose Lyft is no better?
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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:30 pm

i donno. what i do suspect is that diving uber is a hell of a lot easier than working at walmart, mcdonalds, etc. Set your own hours, no supervision, no mopping floors. again, etc.

But you're better off delivering pizzas is my bet.

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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby shemp » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:34 pm

The only difference between delivering pizza and delivering people is that you can legally eat pizza.
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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Anaxagoras » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:58 pm

Exactly. If the pay is no different I would rather drive for uber than work at McDonalds or the like.
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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:03 pm

Yea, but you have to have a [fairly] nice car or they will not let you drive. If you [need] to drive for Uber, you're already marginalized.

Plus, what Shrimp said

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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Anaxagoras » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:15 pm

Once upon a time I did deliver food for a few months. A nice car was not a requirement, you just needed a car, any car. It was a dual gig actually. You washed dishes when there weren't deliveries. Deli food.
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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:30 pm

When I retired from the Navy I was in a bad way. I almost took a job delivering pizzas for Pizza Hut. Instead I found a job translating user manuals from French to English for Schlumberger. I do not speak French but the internet did. I think it paid about $15, about half what I was making in the Navy. They liked me so much they hired me as a programmer. I do not speak programming. Neither does the internet. That gig didn't last long.

Then I started working as a technical writer. I sucked at that too but nobody noticed. I made twice what I made in the navy but felt bad about it. :)

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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Anaxagoras » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:35 pm

How long were you in the Navy, btw. Did you do 20? I got out after 6 myself.

My food delivery gig was before the Navy. It's so long ago I almost think the deli had their own car, yeah. Now I remember, I didn't use my own car for deliveries, iirc.
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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Grammatron » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:09 am

The idea behind Uber was if you are going from point A to B and someone needed a ride near point A to near point B you would earn few extra dollars, not really a job.

The Uber/Lyft (most are both) are everywhere here in LA. Few times I've used them the people were doing it as a job, and I don't understand how it's worth it for them.
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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby corplinx » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:14 am

I know a guy who does the Uber thing with his Prius for a few extra bucks. He has a well paying daytime job. It doesn't seem to be a good primary revenue source.
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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby WildCat » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:17 am

Rob Lister wrote:i donno. what i do suspect is that diving uber is a hell of a lot easier than working at walmart, mcdonalds, etc. Set your own hours, no supervision, no mopping floors. again, etc.

But you're better off delivering pizzas is my bet.

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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Rob Lister » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:31 am

Add this to the growing list of Uber controversies: drivers peeing into plastic bottles. Vocativ reports that fed-up Uber drivers in New York City are tired of improvising when forced to answer nature's call. A union representing them has begun an online petition calling on JFK International Airport to install a port-a-potty. "It’s a grim situation in the waiting lot," says driver Sohail Rana, who ups the ewww factor with this description: "Half-filled bottles of questionable origin and odor litter the cell phone lot, where the only place to go to the bathroom currently is a section … where there are a few anemic bushes.” Uber drivers are barred from using restrooms for licensed taxi drivers, says Ryan Price, chief of the International Drivers Guild, who claims even pets have access to facilities. "Drivers are being treated worse than dogs."
http://www.newser.com/story/235653/uber ... ttles.html

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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Rob Lister » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:33 am

Uber is fast establishing itself as a modern, 21st-century way to lose a lot of money, according to the latest financial results. Bloomberg reports that the company's losses have been "eye-popping" this year, with an $800 million loss in the third quarter bringing total losses to at least $2.2 billion, a figure that could top $3 billion when fourth-quarter results come in. A source tells Bloomberg that net revenue has risen along with losses and is expected to reach more than $5.5 billion this year. The loss figures do not include interest or taxes, meaning Uber's losses could be even higher than reported. The company is believed to have lost at least $2 billion in 2015.
http://www.newser.com/story/235705/uber ... -year.html

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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby ed » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:50 am

What sort of costs does uber have? Their app is pretty cool but that is sunk.
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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby Rob Lister » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:42 pm

ed wrote:What sort of costs does uber have? Their app is pretty cool but that is sunk.


The marketing necessary to find drivers willing to work for ~<minimum wage is expensive.

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Re: Is Uber a fool's game

Postby ed » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:54 pm

Sounds like BS to me.
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