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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby RCC: Act II » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:43 pm

Rob Lister wrote:why must said distinction be eliminated?


It shouldn't be.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:46 pm

Why not?

Ideology follows interest.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby RCC: Act II » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:49 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Why not?

Ideology follows interest.


Causing harm by being oblivious is not the same thing as intentionally causing harm. Same with failing to notice one's bias, especially given that the human brain is really bad at it.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:58 pm

What about being oblivious sort of on purpose by means of doublethink?
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby gnome » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:21 am

Less common than coming by it honestly.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Mentat » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:25 am

Rob Lister wrote:why must said distinction be eliminated?


Then what's the difference between "evil lying scum intentionally trying to cause harm" and everybody else if there is no distinction?
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:39 am

Mentat wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:why must said distinction be eliminated?


Then what's the difference between "evil lying scum intentionally trying to cause harm" and everybody else if there is no distinction?


Not answering for Rob, but I would say getting paid.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:40 am

gnome wrote:Less common than coming by it honestly.


I'd agree in a general way, but not for people being paid to be "oblivious".
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby RCC: Act II » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:58 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mentat wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:why must said distinction be eliminated?


Then what's the difference between "evil lying scum intentionally trying to cause harm" and everybody else if there is no distinction?


Not answering for Rob, but I would say getting paid.

Ideology follows interest.

Intent.

Being willfully ignorant is still willful. Intent isn't a yes/no thing, more of a continuum.

Money can be the motive for being willfully ignorant, or it could be that it psychologically blinds them to the harm.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Giz » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:16 am

RCC: Act II wrote:Money can be the motive for being willfully ignorant, or it could be that it psychologically blinds them to the harm.


Probably most often, just having a blinkered world view and being in a group think bubble. They don't realize they have a bias.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Witness » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:10 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Ideology follows interest.

Generalizing is dangerous, but I'd say that a lot of journalists are for hire and don't bite the hand which feeds them. Having an "ideology" (or beliefs) isn't even necessary. It shows clearly when they switch papers.

Can't speak for the US, but an amusing case is Philippe Val who went from redactor in chief of Charlie Hebdo to a career in television, tried to please Sarkozy (without much success :mrgreen: ) and is now busy defending the fake (neo-) philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy against his critics. A fake CH had always made fun of.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:13 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Not being an apologist for Trump here, but he doesn't seem overwhelmingly "delusional" to me.

He's an old guy with enough money that he doesn't need to work.

He's got a job that pays a lot less than he used to make, doing something that he really likes.

We all should have such a retirement. :propeller:


He said he wouldn't take a salary as president and I believe that as far as it goes, but he still owns all of his companies and properties (hotels, golf courses) that he owned before becoming president. And they continue to earn as much or more income as before. His sons are running the business while he's gone. One of his golf courses doubled the membership fee after he was elected, so although he hasn't released his taxes and probably will never release any of them, my bet is that his income this year is higher than last year, even excluding his presidential salary.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Mentat » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:55 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mentat wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:why must said distinction be eliminated?


Then what's the difference between "evil lying scum intentionally trying to cause harm" and everybody else if there is no distinction?


Not answering for Rob, but I would say getting paid.

Ideology follows interest.


That's a very big brush you're painting the country with then.
It's "pea-can", man.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:14 pm

Anaxagoras wrote: ... my bet is that his income this year is higher than last year, even excluding his presidential salary.


Sure.

But in line with what I said, he doesn't have to work for it.

Think of all that as his retiree pension.


BTW, I started a thread over by Shermerland with that comment. Really got 'em going, including our old buddy Xouper. 8)
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:17 pm

Witness wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Ideology follows interest.

Generalizing is dangerous, but I'd say that a lot of journalists are for hire and don't bite the hand which feeds them. Having an "ideology" (or beliefs) isn't even necessary. It shows clearly when they switch papers.


Not biting the hand that feeds you is an ideology of sorts, even if they don't teach it in journalism school.

As it might be the NYT not reporting on the Mexican phone monopoly. 8)
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:18 pm

Mentat wrote:That's a very big brush you're painting the country human race with then.


FTFY :P
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Mentat » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:48 pm

Speaking of fake news . . .
It's "pea-can", man.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:18 am

Fake News: No, MSNBC Producer, A U.S. Diplomat Didn't Resign Because Of Trump's 'S**thole' Remarks
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Just think.

If the Dems hadn't invented the "fake news" meme as an excuse for losing the election, President Trump couldn't have co-opted it and promoted the hell out of it.

And this error would have been handled with an erratum on page gimel. :cowbell:
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:56 pm

Fake news data point. :BigGrin3:

Or is it meta-fake news? Or meta-meta-.... :notsure:

Moby claims CIA asked him to post about Trump and Russia (Fox)

Singer Moby claimed his friends in the CIA asked him to spread the word that President Trump has ties to Russia because he has a larger social media following than the government agency.

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