FakeNews Ongoing

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by Doctor X » Wed May 30, 2018 10:01 am

Yeah, the drive to "win" really has exposed both sides as hypocritical opportunistic fools.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by Grammatron » Thu May 31, 2018 9:44 pm

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/vbq ... ican-party
Less than a week before the California primary, Google listed “Nazism” as the ideology of the California Republican Party.

In the “knowledge panel” that provides easy access to information next to search results, Google was showing “Nazism” as an “ideology” of the party as of Thursday morning. The word “Nazism” was hyperlinked to a secondary page that shows “Nazism” alongside other “ideologies” of California Republicans like “Conservatism,” "Market liberalism,” “Fiscal conservatism,” and “Green conservatism."

California voters have been casting their absentee ballots for weeks ahead of Tuesday’s statewide primary elections, which will help determine the majority in the House of Representative and the potential next governor of the world’s fifth-largest economy.

But voters looking for information by searching “California Republicans” or “California Republican Party” were getting “Nazism” next to their search results until Google took the listing down later Thursday after a query from VICE News.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by WildCat » Thu May 31, 2018 9:49 pm

It's just pure coincidence that such "errors" always work against conservatives.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by gnome » Thu May 31, 2018 11:11 pm

According to Wired, it was over-reliance on Wikipedia as an information source.

https://www.wired.com/story/google-sear ... op-nazism/

I do wonder where you get the idea that errors like this are always against conservatives. Did you research many instances? What methods did you use to select and compare?
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by Grammatron » Thu May 31, 2018 11:26 pm

gnome wrote:According to Wired, it was over-reliance on Wikipedia as an information source.

https://www.wired.com/story/google-sear ... op-nazism/
If Google is going to insist upon a prominent display of Wikipedia results based on the submitted query then it's on Google.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:08 am

It's probably just an algorithm, not somebody writing that in there.

"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet" still applies.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:14 am

Or last minute Wikipedia vandalism that propagated before Google noticed it.

One way or the other, I classify it as a deliberate dirty trick.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:42 am

I wrote a hit piece in Rabbi Michael Lerner that persisted for several months before someone did a rewrite fullwise.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:44 am

But my repeated attempts to add "hobbit" (non-indigenous inhabitant of New Zealand) to the list of ethnic slurs have always been thwarted within a few hours. :poutpout:
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by gnome » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:54 am

Grammatron wrote:
gnome wrote:According to Wired, it was over-reliance on Wikipedia as an information source.

https://www.wired.com/story/google-sear ... op-nazism/
If Google is going to insist upon a prominent display of Wikipedia results based on the submitted query then it's on Google.
I agree they bear some responsibility from negligence, but it speaks against it being a partisan decision.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:15 am

The White House Official Trump Says Doesn’t Exist
Matthew Pottinger must have been surprised to learn that he doesn’t exist. As the top official for Asia on President Donald Trump’s National Security Council, Pottinger had briefed dozens of reporters about North Korea two days before Trump angrily tweeted that a New York Times article citing his remarks had relied on an official who “doesn’t exist.” The president was furious that the Times had paraphrased Pottinger, who spoke on background and thus could not be identified in its story, as saying it would be “impossible” for Trump to go forward with his June 12 summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un because there wasn’t enough time to prepare.

“Use real people, not phony sources,” Trump fumed.

A debate ensued online about whether the Times accurately characterized Pottinger, who never used the word “impossible,” although he did come close, saying that the summit date is “in 10 minutes, and it’s going to be — you know …” without finishing the thought.

But there is no debate about whether Pottinger is real. More than that, he is among Trump’s longest-serving aides. As the NSC’s director for Asia, the sandy-haired, boyish-looking 45-year-old is the president’s top adviser on North Korea and China. He organized Trump’s 12-day trip to Asia last fall, during which he was rarely far from the president’s side. He has played a central role in coordinating Trump’s North Korea policy since early last year — one reason he was among a handful of U.S. officials to fly into Pyongyang earlier this month with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. And he has been in the thick of White House preparations for a possible summit with Kim.
So the guy definitely exists, and although he didn't say the word "impossible" he did say "it’s going to be — you know …"
He wasn't identified by name because the briefing was "on background".

The truth here is not on the side of Trump. And if you think they drew the wrong conclusion and mischaracterized what he said, then he should have said something clearer than "you know ...". :roll:

The NYT didn't do anything other than report the news.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by WildCat » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:43 am

Anaxagoras wrote: The NYT didn't do anything other than report the news.
Are you seriously suggesting that Trump was denying that White House officials exist? And/or that difficult is synonymous with "impossible"?
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by WildCat » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:50 am

Next the WaPo will fact-check Pottinger and declare him to be a liar because the planned summit was over 2 weeks away and not 10 minutes.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:53 am

WildCat wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote: The NYT didn't do anything other than report the news.
Are you seriously suggesting that Trump was denying that White House officials exist? And/or that difficult is synonymous with "impossible"?
Absolutely, you quoted it yourself. Please read it again.
WildCat wrote:The New York Times uses fake news to confirm its previous fake news. There was a big kerfuffle a few days ago when the NYT claimed a "senior White House official" said a Trump-Fat Boy meeting was "impossible". Trump tweeted:
Furthermore on several times in the past he has claimed that unnamed sources are made up.

Here's one example; there are others.


What anonymous sources say is sort of like a game of telephone by the time it get reported to news consumers.
If I tell you one thing, and you paraphrase what I said to someone else, like in a game of telephone each time it will change a little bit, so what gets reported may not be what the source intended to communicate. That's just par for the course in human communication. I'm sure we've all had misunderstandings with other people, right? What is said, or intended to be said is not always what is heard or understood.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by corplinx » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:24 am

Some news outlets are officially spygate deniers still even though we have the guys name and his FBI pay stubs.

Fucking christ.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by Doctor X » Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:42 am

Anaxagoras wrote:So the guy definitely exists,
Whether or not he actually is depends on what "is" is.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:58 pm

corplinx wrote:Some news outlets are officially spygate deniers still even though we have the guys name and his FBI pay stubs.

Fucking christ.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by WildCat » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:13 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:Absolutely, you quoted it yourself. Please read it again.
I did. Perhaps you can help me out and name the White House official saying the word "impossible".

If such a person exists you'll have no problem producing the evidence. But we know it's not Pottinger because he said no such thing.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Post by WildCat » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:14 pm

corplinx wrote:Some news outlets are officially spygate deniers still even though we have the guys name and his FBI pay stubs.

Fucking christ.
You deplorable hicks are just too stupid to know the difference between a spy and a confidential informant. You see, they're totally different because reasons you're too dumb to understand.
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