Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby corplinx » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:28 pm

To Trumpers, there is no goalpost push. They don't treat his statements pedantically.

"i was wiretapped" translates to "i was being spied on"

They don't care for Washingtonian denial-ism. "Well, TECHNICALLY he is incorrect because YADDA YADDA YADDA"

Haters gonna hate. Trump is a skeptics worst nightmare if you make your skepticism around pedantic parsing instead of meaning.

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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby Doctor X » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:02 pm

There is a double-standard since if Trump did this to an incoming Hillary CNN and the like would be screaming. As I indicated, it "fits" whatever narrative you want be you from the left or right.

However, whilst puttering as the Left Media--MSNBC/CNN--screeched "IS NOTHING! EVERYBUDDY DO IT! SAYS A REPUBLICAN!" and the Right Media--Fox "She Forced Herself on O'Reily!" News--blithered "WORSE THAN DEFLATEWATERGATES!!!!" with demands that Obama, Rice, Trump, Flynn, Putin, and Brady get impeached if not subpoena'd methought that, what with the opponent being Trump, with being given the answers to a debate by CNN, with Obama & Co. spying on your opponent, with all of that you still lost?

Was Shannahan your campaign manager?

Though I will give kudos to Some Angry Democrat This is Not an Issue who was on Tucker "Jon Stewart's a MEANIE" Carlson--a homeless meth-addict's Ann Coulter--who stated, frankly, that if what Hillary wrote about Bernie in her e-mails had been revealed just prior to the election, she would have lost even bigger. Have to tip my hat at that honesty.

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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:08 am

Court Approved Wiretap on Trump Campaign Aide Over Russia Ties (NYT)

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department obtained a secret court-approved wiretap last summer on Carter Page, a foreign policy adviser to Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign, based on evidence that he was operating as a Russian agent, a government official said Wednesday.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court issued the warrant, the official said, after investigators determined that Mr. Page was no longer part of the Trump campaign, which began distancing itself from him in early August. Mr. Page is one of several Trump associates under scrutiny in a federal investigation.

The Justice Department considered direct surveillance of anyone tied to a political campaign as a line it did not want to cross, the official added. But its decision to seek a wiretap once it was clear that Mr. Page had left the campaign was the latest indication that, as Mr. Trump built his insurgent run for the White House, the F.B.I. was deeply concerned about whether any of his associates were colluding with Russia.

To obtain the warrant, the government needed to show probable cause that Mr. Page was acting as an agent of Russia. Investigators must first get approval from one of three senior officials at the Justice Department. Then, prosecutors take it to a surveillance court judge.

And though the Trump administration has said Mr. Page was a bit player who had no access to the candidate, the wiretap shows the F.B.I. had strong evidence that a campaign adviser was operating on behalf of Moscow.


Hmm, I wonder what the "probable cause" was? Apparently there is still an ongoing investigation.

The F.B.I. declined to comment. James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director, has described the hurdles to obtaining an intelligence wiretap as a “rigorous, rigorous process.”
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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby Doctor X » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:52 am

Probable cause is whatever Obama The Kenyan Usurper said it was, Anax.

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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:09 am

Doctor X wrote:Probable cause is whatever Obama The Kenyan Usurper said it was, Anax.

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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:40 am

No sir Boss.

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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

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Anaxagoras wrote:Onegai Neko! :D

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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby gnome » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:14 pm

To me the bigger point was that they chose to wait until after he was separated from the campaign. I don't know if they legally had to, but it helps against an accusation of spying on the campaign.
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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby WildCat » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:09 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:Hmm, I wonder what the "probable cause" was? Apparently there is still an ongoing investigation.

Pretty much anything. The FISA court is a rubber stamp. Out of nearly 40,000 surveillance requests they only denied 11 of them.

If they really had a case against a US citizen they could have got a regular court to approve the wiretap, not the secret court that operates outside of public scrutiny.
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BUT IF HE WAS INNOCENT WHY THEY INVESTIGATES?!!1!!

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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby Grammatron » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:33 am

Not Obama, doesn't count.
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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby corplinx » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:33 am

Is the ghost of J. Edgar still haunting the FBI? If anyone thinks this investigation was anything other than political, they need their head examined.

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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby WildCat » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:33 am

And now we see that a fake dossier manufactured by a foreigner and funded by a political party is enough to get a FISA warrant on an American.
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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby Skeeve » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:07 pm

WildCat wrote:And now we see that a fake dossier manufactured by a foreigner and funded by a political party is enough to get a FISA warrant on an American.



Well come on WildCat. You know they wanted one anyway...that just made it easier....that's all.
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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby WildCat » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:51 am

Skeeve wrote:
WildCat wrote:And now we see that a fake dossier manufactured by a foreigner and funded by a political party is enough to get a FISA warrant on an American.



Well come on WildCat. You know they wanted one anyway...that just made it easier....that's all.

Good article by Mollie Hemingway on this subject: http://thefederalist.com/2017/04/20/did ... qus_thread

A snippet:

According to The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, federal agents need to demonstrate probable cause to believe that the “target of the surveillance is a foreign power or agent of a foreign power.” Carter Page is a U.S. Naval Academy graduate, businessman, and academic who will tell anyone who will listen his views that NATO enlargement was a mistaken foreign policy, and that hostility to Russia is a bad strategy for the United States.

These things are not illegal or evidence of being an agent of the Russians. In fact, going to Moscow after being named in major media as a foreign policy advisor to the president to loudly proclaim a pro-Russian line critical of existing policy at a prominent university is not exactly top spycraft. Yes, it could be double-super-secret-spycraft, and perhaps the U.S. government, which has now been revealed to have spied on a U.S. citizen, has evidence to support such surveillance. Did the FBI go to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) after corroborating the claims of the dossier? Or did the agency go to the court and characterize the information as credible based on the fact its paid opposition researcher had been an MI6 spy?

Defenders of the FBI say that the FISC judge wouldn’t have issued warrant without strong corroborating evidence and that the courts reviewing applications are very strict. However, securing warrants from a judge does not appear to be as difficult as some claim. Some 38,365 applications for FISA surveillance were made through 2015. Courts denied only 12 requests since 1979. That’s a rejection rate of .03 percent.

Until evidence is provided, journalists who care about privacy and abuse of power should be asking tough questions of everyone involved. Despite a nearly year-long campaign of leaks and innuendo to tie Trump to Russia, nothing has been provided to support the claim of collusion. Until and unless any of the people making such claims produce actual evidence of Trump associates having knowledge of Russian actions beforehand, and coordinating the placement and timing of leaks for political effect, the proper focus of journalists should be on the rampant abuse of power in a political opponent being surveilled by his own government.
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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby corplinx » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:26 am

http://thefederalist.com/2017/09/14/rem ... g-scandal/

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Re: Trump, Offering No Evidence, Says Obama Tapped His Phones

Postby Doctor X » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:53 am

Lock her up! Lock her up!



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