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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:43 pm

Speaking of former Trotskyites over by National Review ...

President Oprah? It Sort of Makes Sense.

Ben Shapiro would probably deny being a former Trotskyite, but he sure sounds like an objectively counterrevolutionary left deviationist to me.
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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Mentat » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:01 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Wildcat:
So your definition of "Marxism" is any system with oligarchs (that you don't like)?

I do not think you know what that word means.
Is it talking about that "Cultural marxism" alt-right meme again?
It's "pea-can", man.

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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by WildCat » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:06 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Wildcat:
So your definition of "Marxism" is any system with oligarchs (that you don't like)?

I do not think you know what that word means.
Let's recap my original statement: "Identity politics is inherently Marxist, it's rooted in Marxism."

I didn't say the sole definition of Marxism is identity politics, it's just one feature of it..

But any Marxist/Communist/Socialist system inevitably leads to oligarchs, it's the nature of the beast. The ruling class and their cronies become the oligarchs. Castro in Cuba, the Chavistas in Venezuela.

That said, there is a LOT of admiration for Marxism in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Bernie didn't honeymoon in the USSR and praise Venezuela because he really only wanted to make us more like Capitalist Denmark. Same goes for the people wearing Che t-shirts, or the union members who march in Soviet-red shirts and bandanas.
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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by WildCat » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:07 pm

Mentat wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Wildcat:
So your definition of "Marxism" is any system with oligarchs (that you don't like)?

I do not think you know what that word means.
Is it talking about that "Cultural marxism" alt-right meme again?
Please, someone dumb it down so Mentat can understand it. Maybe cartoon form or something.
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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:18 pm

"Cultural Marxism" is a real thing not just an alt-right meme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

And no it is not about identity politics.
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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Mentat » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:45 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:"Cultural Marxism" is a real thing not just an alt-right meme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

And no it is not about identity politics.
I know it's a real thing. The alt-right part is labeling everything with it, including neoliberalism. It's borderline stormfront territory.
It's "pea-can", man.

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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:54 pm

Mentat wrote:I know it's a real thing. The alt-right part is labeling everything with it, including neoliberalism ...
So far so good.
... It's borderline stormfront territory.
Emphasis added.

Now you're doing it too.
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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Mentat » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:58 pm

How the hell is it not? Just go to any racist far right community and see them sling that phrase around like skittles.
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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:12 pm

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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Mentat » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:48 pm

Well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then don't get fussy at me when I point out that it walks and quacks like a duck. :p
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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:57 pm

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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Mentat » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:05 pm

So it's not correct for me to point out when somebody's using alt-right talking points? It's not politically correct?
It's "pea-can", man.

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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:32 pm

Mentat wrote:So it's not correct for me to point out when somebody's using alt-right talking points? It's not politically correct?
It's the equation with Nazis.

As you know.
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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Mentat » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:14 pm

Then why don't you get mad at the dipshits who talk like nazis rather than the ones who point out the uncomfortable truth?

I think I might have answered that question.
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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Rob Lister » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:18 pm

Mentat wrote:Then why don't you get mad at the dipshits who talk like nazis rather than the ones who point out the uncomfortable truth?

I think I might have answered that question.
"talking points" assumes an affiliation which may or may not exist. Better you should address what they actually say and not whom they may or may not be affiliated with. You'd still win if you're right.

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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Mentat » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:25 pm

I have that dipshit on ignore. I don't want to piss off the next mcveigh and end up dead. That murderous fucknut already has threatened vigilante justice and shooting democrats like me "in self defense". And yet we rather remain in denial at the extreme radicalization of certain members here and how casually they pass off white supremacist propaganda.
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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:16 pm

Mark Steyn endorses Oprah! :o

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Post by Rob Lister » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:19 pm

As crazy as it seems, Harpo could win that nomination. But running against Condi is going to be a set of bitch.

see what i did there. ed will like it.

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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by WildCat » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:32 am

Mentat wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:"Cultural Marxism" is a real thing not just an alt-right meme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

And no it is not about identity politics.
I know it's a real thing. The alt-right part is labeling everything with it, including neoliberalism. It's borderline stormfront territory.
Nazis! Nazis everywhere!

Jesus fucking Christ you're such a tool.
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Re: 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by WildCat » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:35 am

Mentat wrote:I have that dipshit on ignore. I don't want to piss off the next mcveigh and end up dead. That murderous fucknut already has threatened vigilante justice and shooting democrats like me "in self defense". And yet we rather remain in denial at the extreme radicalization of certain members here and how casually they pass off white supremacist propaganda.
Bwahahahahaha!

Oh this is rich. Mentat got a hair up her ass when I said she sympathized with antifa... who also see Nazis everywhere.

Then she got upset when I said people have the right to defend themselves with deadly force when accossted with the same. And she's still crying about that.

Sad, pathetic piece of shit loser she is.
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