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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Mentat » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:23 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Previously in this thread.


By you probably.


Whole point of me saying so.

Sheesh. Try to head off Mentat bullshit and get hit with Lister bullshit.

Any comment on that speculation?


Wait, why am I getting roped into this? I haven't the foggiest clue of anything naval, so your guess is as good as mine.
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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Grammatron » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:32 pm

It sounds like everyone on the bridge was not doing their job. I find that hard to believe but I am completely ignorant of how the Navy works.
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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Rob Lister » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:27 pm

Grammatron wrote:It sounds like everyone on the bridge was not doing their job. I find that hard to believe but I am completely ignorant of how the Navy works.

Three (sometimes more, never less) on the bridge.
One lookout port. One starboard, one aft. (always that)
Three (sometimes more, never less) in CIC

9 in total. 8 would have seen it had they looked.

The only guy in the clear is the lookout on the port side.

Figuring 15 knots closing (and it was much less), horizon at 8 miles, at least for about a half hour. Probably 2 hours or more.
I cannot fathom.


Hey!

Maybe there were 50 other ships on the scope.

thinking ...
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I didn't consider that.

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Maybe they were playing Dodge Ship?

But then, where's the skipper, the XO, The DCA, anyfuckingbody that got woke by the fuck up by the collision alarm that did not sound?

I'm going to put my best sailor cap on and give everyone the benefit of the doubt. The OOD was a newbie. He was indeed playing Dodge the Boat with multiple contacts around him. He didn't want to wake the skipper because he didn't want to look like a newbie. (that's the skipper's fault, btw. his too but he is a newbie)

What about the senior officer in CIC? He could have woke up the skipper. It's his job too. He could have pulled the collision alarm as well. WTF.

Somebody is going to go to prison.

I want them to be in a cell with Abdul.

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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:17 pm

ed wrote:
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Anaxagoras wrote:Some kind of skylarking must have been happening.


Hey ed! See that?

That's the word that means "ass grabbing" (actually buggery) below decks, not what you said. :P


Not everything is homoerotic :x :x


Of course not, the USN is 100% coed nowadays. 8)

And "buggery" isn't necessarily man on man, you know. :P
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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:36 am

Jesus Christ, another one.

Another U.S. Navy destroyer collides with a merchant ship, rescue efforts underway

SEOUL — A U.S. Navy destroyer has been involved in a collision at sea, with the USS John S. McCain hitting an oil tanker near Singapore early Monday morning. It was not immediately clear whether there were any casualties.

The guided missile destroyer and the Liberian-flagged merchant vessel Alnic MC collided near the Strait of Malacca at 5:24 a.m. local time, the Navy’s 7th Fleet reported. It was on its way to routine port visit in Singapore.

Initial reports indicated that the destroyer sustained damage to its port side at the rear.

“Search and rescue efforts are underway in coordination with local authorities,” the 7th Fleet said in a news release.

Shipping data show that the Alnic is 600 feet long with a dead weight of 50,760 tons. The McCain is a 505-foot-long Arleigh Burke-class destroyer based at the 7th Fleet’s home port in Yokosuka, Japan.

This collision comes just days after the Navy issued a report listing a string of errors that led to a collision between the USS Fitzgerald — also a Yokosuka-based Arleigh Burke-class destroyer — and a much larger container ship just south of Japan in June.


The Strait of Malacca is probably the most crowded shipping lane in the world.
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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Rob Lister » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:13 am

sustained damage to its port side at the rear.


Probably not the navy's fault, not that it matters a lot.

Alnic MC

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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby ed » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:41 am

ed wrote:Go back to an earlier post of mine ... moonlight, clear, big ass container ship not equipped with stealth technology.

Where was everyone?

Yeah, they fucked up big time but how in the world did it happen?

If this were a conspiracy it would seem ludicrous on the face of it. How many people on watch would have had to be complicit? 10? More? Rob? How many people were in a position to note the container ship??


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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:42 am

Something I just noticed about that Washington Post article.

It says:
"This collision comes just days after the Navy issued a report listing a string of errors that led to a collision between the USS Fitzgerald — also a Yokosuka-based Arleigh Burke-class destroyer — and a much larger container ship just south of Japan in June."

Except that the report did not list the "string of errors" that led to the collision. It only described what happened after the collision.
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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Doctor X » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:33 am

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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Grammatron » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:46 am

Anaxagoras wrote:Something I just noticed about that Washington Post article.

It says:
"This collision comes just days after the Navy issued a report listing a string of errors that led to a collision between the USS Fitzgerald — also a Yokosuka-based Arleigh Burke-class destroyer — and a much larger container ship just south of Japan in June."

Except that the report did not list the "string of errors" that led to the collision. It only described what happened after the collision.


How very unlike Washington Post to print things that are so blatantly wrong.
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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Grammatron » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:56 am

Apparently the 7th Fleet experienced a total of 4 incidents this year. In addition to the Fitzgerald, USS Lake Champlain was hit by a fishing boat and USS Antietam ran aground. Sounds like some very high heads might roll if this keeps hitting the news.
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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:01 am

Story has been updated. Now says that 10 sailors are missing. This could be bad.
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Re: US Navy Ship collission

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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:35 am

It's 19:30 here, 18:30 Singapore time, which means it will be dark soon. Still no word on the missing sailors.

More photos here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40995829

I guess that means they've been searching from dawn till dusk essentially but haven't found them.

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Postby Rob Lister » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:03 pm

Timeline of the Alnic MC

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https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/de ... /636017930

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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Rob Lister » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:31 pm

The U.S. Navy announced a pause in its global operations and patrols and has begun a broad investigation after the destroyer USS John S. McCain collided with a merchant vessel, leaving 10 sailors missing, the second such incident in as many months.

The response by the U.S. military signals the Navy believes it needs to examine whether there may be institutional problems behind the deadly collisions.

Navy Adm. John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, made the announcement about the operational pause during a nearly four-minute video message posted on Facebook Monday morning. Adm. Richardson said he also ordered a broader investigation.

“I directed an operational pause be taken in all of our fleets around the world,” Adm. Richardson said. “I want our fleet commanders to get together with their leaders and their commands to ensure that we are taking all appropriate immediate actions to ensure safe and effective operations around the world.”


He thinks it is intentional. At least this latest one. So do I. You can poke it with a bulbous bow and almost sink it. They were testing that.
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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby ed » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:52 pm

Intentional ? How So? Thoughts?
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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Rob Lister » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:17 pm

ed wrote:Intentional ? How So? Thoughts?


They rear-ended them from the port. The McCain had right of way.

Too early to tell but I'm never one to wait on evidence.

Bomb them all. Bomb them all to hell!

But seriously, this is suspicious.

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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Anaxagoras » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:18 am

I don't know, but it's probably something that should be considered, even if only to rule it out.

Is someone hacking our 7th fleet? Navy to investigate after USS John S McCain collision

Adm. John Richardson ordered an operational pause in all the fleets around the world while the Navy works to determine the factors behind the collision. Richardson tweeted that the Navy will conduct a wide investigation, including a review into the possibility of "cyber intrustion or sabotage.

Adm. Phil Davidson, the head of the Navy's Fleet Forces, will lead the investigation.

Richardson made clear that there is no evidence of a hacking at this point, but some cyber experts have raised to possiblity given the location of the warships.

Jeff Stutzman, an ex-information warfare specialist in the Navy who works at a cyber threat intelligence company, told McClatchy that “there’s something more than just human error going on."


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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Postby Doctor X » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:06 am

How do you not notice a boat that big?

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