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Re: The Smirk is Dead, Long Live the Smirk

Postby Nyarlathotep » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:16 am

sparks wrote:Betting he won't make it to 60. He will have...interesting...times in stir.


I suspect he will go to a 'Club Fed" type of prison

He's rich. We can't have "job creators" suffering consequences like the common rabble.
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Postby sparks » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:22 am

I expect you're correct. Bit of wishful thinking on my part to think the cunt might actually suffer the consequences of his actions.
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Postby Nyarlathotep » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:44 am

Rich people are immune to "consequences". Consequences are for peasants like you and me.
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"Taxes are for little people."

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Postby Nyarlathotep » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:48 am

Doctor X wrote:"Taxes are for little people."

--J.D.


Yep. And it extends to everything else in life too.
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Postby Doctor X » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:59 am

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Postby Anaxagoras » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:11 am

corplinx wrote:The first political prisoner of the Trump era. Trump should pardon him and make him head of the FDA. Do a moonwalk over the river of salty tears, while de-regulating to keep economic growth going steadily up while his opponents stay outraged about the obvious thing.


Hitler too was unfairly maligned
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Re: The Smirk is Dead, Long Live the Smirk

Postby corplinx » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:17 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
corplinx wrote:The first political prisoner of the Trump era. Trump should pardon him and make him head of the FDA. Do a moonwalk over the river of salty tears, while de-regulating to keep economic growth going steadily up while his opponents stay outraged about the obvious thing.


Hitler too was unfairly maligned


There you go defending Hitler... AGAIN

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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:04 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:Rich people are immune to "consequences". Consequences are for peasants like you and me.


Exception that may apply in this case: Being bad for business, in the estimation of his peers.

This is the meaning of my previous crack about crossing the mob.

You can't even bring up "what if a poor black kid did the same thing", because in the nature of things they never do.
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Postby corplinx » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:55 pm

出る釘は打たれる

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Re: The Smirk is Dead, Long Live the Smirk

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:40 am

corplinx wrote:出る釘は打たれる


This reminds me of an episode that happened 10 years ago over here. To this day I still don't fully understand exactly what the crime was. I'm not saying there wasn't a crime, just that I don't understand it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livedoor
livedoor Co.,Ltd. (株式会社ライブドア Kabushiki-gaisha Raibudoa) was a Japanese company that functioned as an Internet service provider and operator of a web portal and blog platform before being brought down by scandal in 2006. The company was founded and led in its first 10 years by Takafumi Horie, known as "Horiemon" in Japan. Livedoor grew into one of Japan's premier Internet businesses, putting over 1,000 employees on its payroll at its peak. Its reliance on acquisitions and stock swap mergers to achieve growth also made it one of the country's most controversial enterprises. Its growth came to a resounding halt when scandal erupted in early 2006. An investigation of securities law violations led to a nosedive in the company's stock price. The Tokyo Stock Exchange delisted Livedoor on April 14, 2006.[1] The floundering company's properties were purchased by South Korea-based NHN Corp in 2010.[2][3]

Today the ISP and blog services that wear the Livedoor name are operated by Line Corporation, developers of Line messaging services and the Naver Japan search portal. Line Corporation, based in Japan, was spun off from NHN Japan, an arm of its Korean parent, in February 2013.[3]
Fraud allegations

Scandal broke on January 16, 2006, when Tokyo prosecutors raided several Livedoor locations, Horie's home, and the homes of other Livedoor and subsidiary executives on suspicions of securities fraud. The raids spooked investors and sent shares plunging on January 17 and 18 as a widening criminal investigation sparked panic selling on the Tokyo Stock Exchange. Some brokers announced they would no longer allow use of the issue for margin trading. Volume was so heavy that it threatened to overload the TSE's computer system, prompting a halt in trading for the entire market—the first time this has ever occurred. The TSE ordered Livedoor to provide a formal response to the allegations. When the company filed a hasty report after a quick internal investigation, the TSE told executives to provide a more detailed report and threatened to delist Livedoor if allegations of improper activities proved valid.

On January 18, 2006, Hideaki Noguchi, an executive of H.S. Securities, a firm raided by prosecutors earlier in the week in connection with Livedoor, was found dead in an Okinawa hotel room after what the authorities are labeling a suicide.[10]

The authorities called in several Livedoor and subsidiary executives for questioning over several days, and Horie himself on January 23. After several hours of questioning Horie, investigators felt they had learned enough to press charges and petitioned for four arrest warrants, which were granted. Horie, Livedoor's chief financial officer, and the presidents of two subsidiaries were arrested mid-evening for securities and accounting fraud.[11] They were held for two months without bail, and during this time, Livedoor's temporary Representative Director Fumito Kumagai was also arrested.[12]

Japan's Securities Commission filed a criminal complaint against the five arrested ex-executives of the company on March 13, 2006. Founder Horie was sentenced to 2.5 years in jail on March 16, 2007. Others were given various jail sentences four days later but appealed.[13]
Scandal consequences

After losing 90% of its stock price in four months and strong evidence of securities fraud, Livedoor was delisted from the Tokyo Stock Exchange on April 14, 2006.[14]

Fuji Television sued the company for ¥35 billion in damages in March 2007;[15] 1,000 individual investors filed a class-action suit in May 2006, eventually rising to 3,340 asking for ¥23 billion, which resulted in a final ruling of ¥7.6 billion against Livedoor,[16] and other similar suits resulted at least one judgment of ¥4.9 billion.[17] Livedoor in turn sued its own executives, with founder Horie settling for ¥21 billion and six others settling for a total of ¥760 million.[18]

Information obtained during the investigation led to the arrest and conviction of fund manager Yoshiaki Murakami for using inside information to profit off of a stake Livedoor purchased in Nippon Broadcasting System in 2005.[19]

Horie published an autobiography during his appeals, Complete Resistance, in which he proclaims his innocence and states that he was targeted by the government only due to his infamy, not the actual nature or severity of any crimes.[20]

In order to prevent a recurrence of the scandal, Japan passed a law similar to Sarbanes–Oxley, nicknamed J-SOX, on June 14, 2006.


Livedoor had tried to do a hostile takeover of Fuji Television, one of the things that angered "the old guard".
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Postby Nyarlathotep » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:55 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Nyarlathotep wrote:Rich people are immune to "consequences". Consequences are for peasants like you and me.


Exception that may apply in this case: Being bad for business, in the estimation of his peers.

This is the meaning of my previous crack about crossing the mob.

You can't even bring up "what if a poor black kid did the same thing", because in the nature of things they never do.


But even at that, he'll go to a nice soft cushy "Club Fed" style prison. Not the sort of place they send common riff raff.
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Postby corplinx » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:04 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
corplinx wrote:出る釘は打たれる


This reminds me of an episode that happened 10 years ago over here. To this day I still don't fully understand exactly what the crime was. I'm not saying there wasn't a crime, just that I don't understand it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livedoor
livedoor Co.,Ltd. (株式会社ライブドア Kabushiki-gaisha Raibudoa) was a Japanese company that functioned as an Internet service provider and operator of a web portal and blog platform before being brought down by scandal in 2006. The company was founded and led in its first 10 years by Takafumi Horie, known as "Horiemon" in Japan. Livedoor grew into one of Japan's premier Internet businesses, putting over 1,000 employees on its payroll at its peak. Its reliance on acquisitions and stock swap mergers to achieve growth also made it one of the country's most controversial enterprises. Its growth came to a resounding halt when scandal erupted in early 2006. An investigation of securities law violations led to a nosedive in the company's stock price. The Tokyo Stock Exchange delisted Livedoor on April 14, 2006.[1] The floundering company's properties were purchased by South Korea-based NHN Corp in 2010.[2][3]

Today the ISP and blog services that wear the Livedoor name are operated by Line Corporation, developers of Line messaging services and the Naver Japan search portal. Line Corporation, based in Japan, was spun off from NHN Japan, an arm of its Korean parent, in February 2013.[3]
Fraud allegations

Scandal broke on January 16, 2006, when Tokyo prosecutors raided several Livedoor locations, Horie's home, and the homes of other Livedoor and subsidiary executives on suspicions of securities fraud. The raids spooked investors and sent shares plunging on January 17 and 18 as a widening criminal investigation sparked panic selling on the Tokyo Stock Exchange. Some brokers announced they would no longer allow use of the issue for margin trading. Volume was so heavy that it threatened to overload the TSE's computer system, prompting a halt in trading for the entire market—the first time this has ever occurred. The TSE ordered Livedoor to provide a formal response to the allegations. When the company filed a hasty report after a quick internal investigation, the TSE told executives to provide a more detailed report and threatened to delist Livedoor if allegations of improper activities proved valid.

On January 18, 2006, Hideaki Noguchi, an executive of H.S. Securities, a firm raided by prosecutors earlier in the week in connection with Livedoor, was found dead in an Okinawa hotel room after what the authorities are labeling a suicide.[10]

The authorities called in several Livedoor and subsidiary executives for questioning over several days, and Horie himself on January 23. After several hours of questioning Horie, investigators felt they had learned enough to press charges and petitioned for four arrest warrants, which were granted. Horie, Livedoor's chief financial officer, and the presidents of two subsidiaries were arrested mid-evening for securities and accounting fraud.[11] They were held for two months without bail, and during this time, Livedoor's temporary Representative Director Fumito Kumagai was also arrested.[12]

Japan's Securities Commission filed a criminal complaint against the five arrested ex-executives of the company on March 13, 2006. Founder Horie was sentenced to 2.5 years in jail on March 16, 2007. Others were given various jail sentences four days later but appealed.[13]
Scandal consequences

After losing 90% of its stock price in four months and strong evidence of securities fraud, Livedoor was delisted from the Tokyo Stock Exchange on April 14, 2006.[14]

Fuji Television sued the company for ¥35 billion in damages in March 2007;[15] 1,000 individual investors filed a class-action suit in May 2006, eventually rising to 3,340 asking for ¥23 billion, which resulted in a final ruling of ¥7.6 billion against Livedoor,[16] and other similar suits resulted at least one judgment of ¥4.9 billion.[17] Livedoor in turn sued its own executives, with founder Horie settling for ¥21 billion and six others settling for a total of ¥760 million.[18]

Information obtained during the investigation led to the arrest and conviction of fund manager Yoshiaki Murakami for using inside information to profit off of a stake Livedoor purchased in Nippon Broadcasting System in 2005.[19]

Horie published an autobiography during his appeals, Complete Resistance, in which he proclaims his innocence and states that he was targeted by the government only due to his infamy, not the actual nature or severity of any crimes.[20]

In order to prevent a recurrence of the scandal, Japan passed a law similar to Sarbanes–Oxley, nicknamed J-SOX, on June 14, 2006.


Livedoor had tried to do a hostile takeover of Fuji Television, one of the things that angered "the old guard".


Is there any doubt he would have never been charged had he not "stuck out" ?

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Postby Carr » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:47 pm

There's no repeated mass-quoting. You want to respond to another man, you respond to the relevant portion.

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Postby WildCat » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:29 am

corplinx wrote:Is there any doubt he would have never been charged had he not "stuck out" ?

You'd think that shouldn't matter but just try sticking it out downtown, or in a park. The reaction from people and the police!
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Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:58 am

Martin Shkreli Jailed Over Hillary Clinton Post

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(Reuters) - A U.S. judge on Wednesday ordered Martin Shkreli to be jailed while he awaits sentencing for securities fraud, citing a Facebook post in which the former drug company offered a $5,000 reward for a strand of Hillary Clinton’s hair.

Shkreli, who had been free on $5 million bail since his December 2015 arrest, was silent and stony-faced as U.S. marshals led out of U.S. District Judge Kiyo Matsumoto’s Brooklyn courtroom.

Matsumoto ruled that Shkreli’s Sept. 4 post, made shortly before Clinton embarked on a book tour, showed he posed a danger to the public. She rejected arguments by Shkreli’s lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, that the post was protected free speech.

“This is a solicitation of assault in exchange for money,” the judge said. “That is not protected by the First Amendment.”

Matsumoto rebuffed Brafman’s repeated pleas to reconsider her decision, or at least give Shkreli until Monday to prove he was not a danger.


A strand of her hair.

The defense? He meant it as "satire".

The judge also scheduled Shkreli’s sentencing for Jan. 16.

“We are obviously disappointed,” Brafman told reporters outside the courthouse. “We believed that the court arrived at the wrong decision. But she’s the judge, and right now we will have to live with this decision.”

Shkreli, who earned the nickname “Pharma Bro” for exploits that included increasing to the price of a life-saving drug by 5,000 percent, said in a letter to Matsumoto on Tuesday that the post was meant as satire.

Brafman repeated that on Wednesday, but Matsumoto was not convinced.

“What’s funny about that?” she demanded.

Shkreli said in the post, since deleted, that he needed the hair to “confirm the sequences I have,” an apparent reference to genetic testing.


At first I was like, it's just a strand of hair, is that really an assault? But it is at least an invasion of privacy if he intends to do DNA testing on her without her consent.

What is the legality of that sort of thing anyway? I guess people shed hair and skin cells all the time. Can anyone just collect these things and perform DNA tests on them without people's permission?
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Postby Grammatron » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:45 am

I think it would be assault if it's taken by force from her head. If it's a stand of her hair that fell off and landed on the street I don't see how anyone can stop you from picking it up. And then running a test. And then publishing results. Sounds like a question of invasion of privacy that has not been dealt with yet.
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Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:40 am

If it's on the street, unless someone is like following her around waiting for a hair to fall, and sees it fall and watches it the whole time, it would be hard to be sure whose hair that is. That would probably be difficult to get near enough to do that assuming she still has secret service protection or bodyguards.

I tried looking up this question but all the top results seem to assume that it is a paternity test. Or the police. A private citizen just testing another private citizen without their permission, I couldn't find anything definitive about that.
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Postby Doctor X » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:46 am

He learned the lesson of O.J. that if you put your dick on an anvil, hand your enemy a hammer, do not be surprised with the results.

This is a stretch, it is beyond a stretch, but the judge is allowed to make that stretch, just as Nevada was allowed to back up the truck and dump the proverbial "book" on O.J. When you are that hated, when it is clear that the prosecution does like you, that probably the judge does not like you, that pretty much All of Creation does not like you, keep your dick in your pants, avoid anvils, and never carry a hammer.

Fair?

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Re: The Smirk is Dead, Long Live the Smirk

Postby Captain » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:16 am

Which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it!
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