Getting rid of statues etc OTHER THAN Confederates.

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Getting rid of statues etc OTHER THAN Confederates.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:55 pm

It's happening a lot quicker that I expected.

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Post by corplinx » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:22 pm

Al Sharpton shouldn't be an excuse to not remove Dixiecrat era monuments though.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:26 pm

corplinx wrote:Al Sharpton shouldn't be an excuse to not remove Dixiecrat era monuments though.
It's like being against Nazis as a first step to making everyone shut up.

Soon all the infidel statues will come down.

Please note: Not a "slippery slope" argument.

An assertion about intended consequences.
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Post by corplinx » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:30 pm

"We can't take down the huge middle finger on the capitol lawn because Al Sharpton will win"

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:46 pm

corplinx wrote:"We can't take down the huge middle finger on the capitol lawn because Al Sharpton will win"
Sharpton is just the first data point. Much more coming.

I am predicting what I believe will happen, not making a political argument.

Political arguments are for people who think they can affect the outcome.
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Post by gnome » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:47 pm

Al Sharpton wanting something does not count as it "happening". Far from it.
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:50 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
corplinx wrote:"We can't take down the huge middle finger on the capitol lawn because Al Sharpton will win"
Sharpton is just the first data point. Much more coming.

I am predicting what I believe will happen, not making a political argument.

Political arguments are for people who think they can affect the outcome.
Oh, I am sure peopel will ask for all kinds of stupid things. People always do.

Still doesn't mean taking down those confederate monuments is a bad idea
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:53 pm

gnome wrote:Al Sharpton wanting something does not count as it "happening". Far from it.
Not as a general rule, but I am predicting he is the first of many, and it will happen in this case.
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Post by gnome » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:00 pm

For me it depends as mentioned before on what's being done with them. Moving statues from high pedestals to museums doesn't horrify me. If it isn't done destructively, communities should be able to decide what statues they want and don't want. Are we instead to argue that a statue is sacred once erected?

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Post by Rob Lister » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:02 pm

The tricky one will be Grant. That's a conundrum right there ladies.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:51 pm

Another data point.

Alderman says Lincoln bust in West Englewood burned
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Post by corplinx » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:07 pm

Assholes shouldn't prevent us from removing the stain of anti-civil rights inspired iconography of the 60s.

The neo-marxists will always want to purge history, we get it. Often, it won't even make sense.

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Post by WildCat » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:06 pm

I demand that the Democratic Party be disbanded to rid us of the party that defended slavery and started the KKK and Jim Crow.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:26 pm

WildCat wrote:I demand that the Democratic Party be disbanded to rid us of the party that defended slavery and started the KKK and Jim Crow.
Wrong thread.

I said OTHER THAN Confederates. 8)
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Post by WildCat » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:44 pm

Now there's calls in Chicago to get rid of the Balbo monument and rename Balbo Drive, as well as all things Stephen Douglas.
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Post by WildCat » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:17 pm

And Chicago just named a street after convicted terrorist Oscar Lopez Rivera and made him Grand Marshal of the Puerto Rican parade... I'm so confused about what makes a person "good" vs. "bad".

Apparently Terrorism = Good?
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:53 pm

WildCat wrote:And Chicago just named a street after convicted terrorist Oscar Lopez Rivera and made him Grand Marshal of the Puerto Rican parade... I'm so confused about what makes a person "good" vs. "bad".

Apparently Terrorism = Good?
More like connected == good, terrorist or no.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:59 pm

WildCat wrote:Now there's calls in Chicago to get rid of the Balbo monument and rename Balbo Drive, as well as all things Stephen Douglas.
It just occurred to me that Grant's Tomb in New York City has a painting of Robert E Lee.

It shows him surrendering to Grant (with their respective armies), and he looks rather dignified.

A PAINTING OF ROBERT E LEE IN NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!!!
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:00 pm

That last one belongs in this thread, because it will lead to demands to demolish Grant's tomb.
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Post by Witness » Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:26 am

Modest contribution: Franco being deposed (well, in effigy):

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The Froggies could also get rid of their war criminal:

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But I haven't too much hope about that. :mrgreen: