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Re: Getting rid of statues etc OTHER THAN Confederates.

Postby Doctor X » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:28 pm

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Doctor X wrote:The sins of the past do not justify other sins of the past. That "The Indians" were MEAN to one another does not justify Columbus' behavior.

Whoosh goes the point right over your head!


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If we are going to judge Columbus by modern standards shouldn't we also judge the Indians by modern standards?


That thing flying above your head?

Nevertheless, as always, kindly read what others write rather than imagine things that suit whatever fancy you currently have.

And, yes, you did commit the tu quoque fallacy along with a very long-winded but ultimately weak argumentum ad veritatem obfuscandam fallacy.

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Re: Getting rid of statues etc OTHER THAN Confederates.

Postby Pyrrho » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:31 pm

Story from an old Logic textbook talks about a western visitor to Moscow, where he was shown the railway station. Tour guide showed them the safety gates, the rails, the clock, etc. Visitor asks, "What about the trains?" Tour guide snaps back, "What about the trains? What about the trains? What about the sharecroppers in Alabama?"
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Re: Getting rid of statues etc OTHER THAN Confederates.

Postby Doctor X » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:38 pm

Indeed.

Now should anyone demonstrate the monuments to Indian practitioners of genocide or cite a federal holiday to them or, even, a cartoon where Fat Gay Men sing insipid songs celebrating said genocides to prove the Earth is, actually, banana shaped then we can return to his fallacious waste of time.

Otherwise, recognizing it as such, let us return to the Regularly Scheduled Topic, already in progress penguin.

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Re: Getting rid of statues etc OTHER THAN Confederates.

Postby WildCat » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:39 pm

Doctor X wrote:Indeed.

Now should anyone demonstrate the monuments to Indian practitioners of genocide or cite a federal holiday to them or, even, a cartoon where Fat Gay Men sing insipid songs celebrating said genocides to prove the Earth is, actually, banana shaped then we can return to his fallacious waste of time.

Otherwise, recognizing it as such, let us return to the Regularly Scheduled Topic, already in progress penguin.

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Re: Getting rid of statues etc OTHER THAN Confederates.

Postby WildCat » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:46 pm

Doctor X wrote:Indeed.

Now should anyone demonstrate the monuments to Indian practitioners of genocide or cite a federal holiday to them or, even, a cartoon where Fat Gay Men sing insipid songs celebrating said genocides to prove the Earth is, actually, banana shaped then we can return to his fallacious waste of time.

Otherwise, recognizing it as such, let us return to the Regularly Scheduled Topic, already in progress penguin.

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And btw that's quite a goalpost move! And one that does you no good, since if "practitioner of genocide" is the new metric than Columbus is safe, because he didn't commit genocide.
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Re: Getting rid of statues etc OTHER THAN Confederates.

Postby Doctor X » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:47 pm

Yes, you committed several. As loath as I am to quote insipid bowel wrenching blasphemations [?--Ed.]--perfectly cromulent--of the concept "comedy" like The Princess Bride, you keep using that term without knowing what it means. Fortunately, Pyrrho provided you a convenient linkypoo which means you have no excuse to persist in your incorrect usage of the term while, hilariously, committing the same with the same abandon Meathead abandoned decent comic timing after This is Spinal Tap and A Few Good Men.

Now about those monuments and holidays?

No?

Right, moving on. . . .

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Postby WildCat » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:48 pm

And here's a monument to an Indian Chief directly involved in many massacres, including of women and children.

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Postby Doctor X » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:49 pm

WildCat wrote:And btw that's quite a goalpost move!


Ipse dixit but incorrect.

To the rest, I refer the individual to the answers, as well as the still unanswered questions ordinary, given previously.

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Re: Getting rid of statues etc OTHER THAN Confederates.

Postby Doctor X » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:49 pm

WildCat wrote:And btw that's quite a goalpost move!


Ipse dixit but incorrect.

To the rest, I refer the individual to the answers, as well as the still unanswered questions ordinary, given previously.

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Postby WildCat » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:50 pm

It stamps its little feet and protests mightily, but alas in vain.

Sad.
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Postby sparks » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:50 pm

You can lead them to knowledge, but you can't make them think.

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Postby Doctor X » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:51 pm

WildCat wrote:It stamps its little feet and protests mightily, but alas in vain.

Sad.


Indeed you remain that and you have only yourself, as always, to blame.
Your inability to provide answers to the relevant questions noted.

Yet again, your tantrum will be ignored as everyone else moves on to relevant matters and "better things to do" than cater to your childishness.

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Re: Getting rid of statues etc OTHER THAN Confederates.

Postby ed » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:48 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Can we all agree fuck Columbus sideways with a rototiller, and move on? Please?



As for Columbus atop the column in Columbus Circle, NYC. It's not like it's in any sense a real likeness of anybody.
And Christopher Columbus had fuck all to do with New York City.

From now on (and retroactively forever) it's a statue of a prominent past New Yorker, Josephus Columbus.

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He was giving a speech at a civil rights rally when he was shot at what is now Columbus Circle. :coolspecs:

Right, ed? :P





Back on track now.

Because the issue is never the issue ...

California Catholic school under fire for removing and relocating 'alienating' religious statues (Fox)

A California Catholic school is facing a backlash from parents after officials took down some religious statues -- including one of Mary and baby Jesus -- over concerns that they were “alienating” prospective students.

...


Ya Allah! That is more like it! :Muhammad:


A classic as I recall. Some Black dude capped him and was in turn knocked off. Joe lingered for years too.
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Postby Pyrrho » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:36 pm

Rename the schools:

http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/09/ ... r-are-they

Jackson Elementary is on the south side of Oklahoma City and Stonewall Jackson's name is engraved above the door where the school's students, who are a majority black and Hispanic, enter and exit the building. Henry says he doesn't think kids should learn in a place named after a Confederate officer who fought to keep slavery legal.

The kids probably never gave it a thought.
At that same school board meeting, Henry found out he wasn't alone. School leaders were concerned about the names of other schools in the district: Stand Watie Elementary, named for a Native American Confederate general, Wheeler Elementary and Lee Elementary.

Leaders moved quickly to make an announcement about the names — they wanted the community to help them decided whether to reassign them.

Before long, leaders came to find themselves in an interesting position. City historians turned up at least some evidence to suggest that two of the schools, Wheeler and Lee, might not be named for leaders of the Confederacy after all.
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Postby Witness » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:18 am

Sometimes RT (from a month ago) reads like the Onion:
‘Russophobic gesture’: Communists denounce plans to remove Seattle Lenin statue

The Russian Communist Party has criticized the authorities in the US city of Seattle over plans to remove a statue of Lenin from the city. The party said it is against vandalism and supports the diversity of monuments to different political ideals all over the world.

“The war of monuments is under way, but there are a lot of Lenin monuments all over the Earth. We denounce vandalism because different monuments must exist,” the secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Sergey Obukhov, was quoted as saying on Friday by RIA Novosti.

“I understand that the mayor of Seattle is doing this to please the kind of leftists whose activities, I would say, included the organization of clashes in Seattle,” he added.
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The 5-meter-high bronze statue of Bolshevik leader Lenin installed in Seattle is privately owned, after being bought from the Slovakian authorities in the early 1990s. The owner says that he put the statue on display because he is looking to sell it.

On Thursday, Seattle Mayor Ed Murray called for the statue to be removed because it allegedly represented historic injustice as well as hate and violence.
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Postby Witness » Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:42 am

The trend has now crossed the Atlantic, and some Froggies want to rechristen their numerous "Colbert" schools. (Article in French: http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2017/09/17/debaptisons-les-colleges-et-les-lycees-colbert_5186813_3232.html.)

The reason being his drafting or the (in)famous Code Noir (Black Code). Excerpt from that Wiki page:
The Code Noir (French pronunciation: ​[kɔd nwaʁ], Black Code) was a decree originally passed by France's King Louis XIV in 1685. The Code Noir defined the conditions of slavery in the French colonial empire, restricted the activities of free Negroes, forbade the exercise of any religion other than Roman Catholicism, and ordered all Jews out of France's colonies.

The Code Noir resulted in a far higher percentage of blacks being free people of colour (13.2% in Louisiana compared to 0.8% in Mississippi) They were on average exceptionally literate, with a significant number of them owning businesses, properties and even slaves.

The code has been described by Tyler Stovall as "one of the most extensive official documents on race, slavery, and freedom ever drawn up in Europe".


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Re: Getting rid of statues etc OTHER THAN Confederates.

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
corplinx wrote:Al Sharpton shouldn't be an excuse to not remove Dixiecrat era monuments though.


It's like being against Nazis as a first step to making everyone shut up.

Soon all the infidel statues will come down.

Please note: Not a "slippery slope" argument.

An assertion about intended consequences.


Looks like I was wrong. The whole statues thing seems to have died down.

Are all the bad statues fallen now (with it decided somehow that Columbus is OK after all)?

Or did the Democrats decide (at least for now) it wasn't helping their brand?
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Postby gnome » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:29 am

Or is it possible that it wasn't being directed from top down and interest simply faded?
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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:10 pm

gnome wrote:Or is it possible that it wasn't being directed from top down and interest simply faded?


I think initially it was not from the top down, but the LIBBERUL media kept it going for a while.
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